I totally get where you're coming from Big Nick, I bought an old Escort MK11 1100cc and dropped a 1600 engine in it back in the 80's it went like stink until I wrapped it up Seemed like a good idea at the time until the insurance refused to pay out, and I only got a wrap on the wrist from the police, but hey ho it was only worth a couple of hundred quid anyway. Trouble is, it's a different world today, if I'd done that as a new driver today it would have probably had my license suspended as a new driver and not be able to insure anything for years to come. If my youngest lad was going to do that today I'd tell him to wait until he could afford to buy and insure the real thing, it's just not worth the risk these days and that's probably where the advice given out to youngsters today comes from, it's more to try and protect them than belittle their efforts. Just my opinion like.