PhatDad

Save all the silica gel packs you get in packaging etc. Find a airtight container, tubs of quality street etc, and after each non-raining ride stick them all in the gloves and then then put them in the air tight container. Worked with my gloves.

Well done Bex, glad to hear you've joined the Desmond crew like me. If it's teaching in the lifelong learning sector then let me know I have shit loads of books I no longer need due to just passing my teacher qualification, so let me know. I was going to bang them on ebay this morning but didn't have my phone on me at the time so didn't bother.

Hi, I've just added a load of you to xbox so if you see a request from PhatWingChun then it's me.

Oh well if that's what you think who am I to argue.

I was taking the piss but it would seem yet again if one persons drivel isn't supported by the majority on here then they aren't free to post elsewhere even if it's in humour. I wonder if the same would have been said to one of the other 'supported' forum drones if they'd said the same I doubt it. As long as you tow the party line it would seem you can post all sorts of bullshit.

I'm glad to see this report. Apology It made me angry to see the reporter try and make out he was condoning the violence after he'd stated he had been expecting it. And then made me more angry when he was accused for rioting. I suspect the reporter didn't even know who he was and how much he has done of the years for the country.

Noooooooooo I like this Akey. I even found myself nodding to his comment you quoted and I'm no supporter either.

And to back up what i've just posted before this, when I saw this video earlier in the day I laughed and said 'Go on kick him in' to the coppers. They've committed the crime so do them over.

You post shows that you don't understand what we've been trying to say. It sounds as though you believe that Aaron and I are saying 'Go easy on them, it's not their fault. Blame the government don't blame them' which is not what we're saying. What we're saying is that you treat a people a particular way don't be surprised when the shit hits the fan. Send them down for years for all I care all I ask is that something is done that prevents people turning out the way they have from dealing with parenting, to changing the benefits system, to harsher punishment for crimes etc. We're not justifying their actions we're questioning the reason why they are mentally able to commit such actions/crimes. If it was just one person we could blame it on parenting but the more people it involves the more we have to question the sociological reasoning rather than the psychological reasoning behind it.

Being a sheep is down to them, nobody else. If they are too weak willed to change they've also got nobody to blame for this but themselves. But governments know people are sheep so shouldn't place people in a position where the easiest option for them is to not learn/not work/not steal/etc etc

Absolutely fantastic. Spot on. But this points out the issue. The population on a whole are sheep. A few people, such as the person who wrote the above, are wolves. There will always be some strong willed person who decides not to follow others and good on them. I'm also guessing that they probably faced a whole heap of problems NOT fitting in with those around him/her. The sheep know no better and will follow the criminals and gangster, the lazy and the gutless as it's easier than being 'different'. Again, Bex, no one is saying that parenting isn't an issue, but we're not just talking the current kids we're talking decades and generations of failure certain groups in society have faced. Why should parents tell kids to pick their litter up, noone else does around here so why should I, the sheep, do different. Their kids then do the same thing and it propagates down the generational ladder till we get to the stage we're at now. A system that allows the rich to get richer while the poor pay for the rich's mistakes, racism, class systems, benefit systems that demoralise etc are as much at fault as the parents or the teachers. We can't look at this individually as it's a social issue. The parents didn't teach respect, the teachers failed and allowed someone to leave school unable to read, the media are constantly showing that looks, wealth, etc are valued more than intelligence, respect and humility. All of these individual issues are grouped into social and economic problems that need sorting. We need to sort these systems before we can educate the individual.

Because the social environment they live in has a negative outlook of education. Catch22 situation, can learn but face ridicule/bullying etc. Survival of the fittest.

OMG here you are again on some sort of political agenda. Can't you see how much money this system will save in the long run? Oh and have you heard Jordan has split with her boyfriend who apparently slept with her ex boyfriend before have a quick civil ceremony with her ex, ex, ex's fiance.

Can you explain what you mean by day to day crap? Day to day crap of living in some of these estates. A few people have said they've been stopped by the police before and if you stay calm etc it's ok. But what about being stopped on a daily basis, sometimes even more than once a night when all you're doing is making your way home from a mates or heading into town to watch a film. The mate I mentioned earlier wasn't just stopped the once with the 'You fit the description of someone' he was stopped everytime with that excuse given to him. Like I said, I walked down the same road every friday night, sometimes carrying electrical goods like a video player and never got stopped. I got a look from the coppers passing but never stopped to ask what i was doing at that time and why i had a video recorder or games console etc. But my mate with empty hands got stopped repeatedly walking the same route. There was a young black guy on the news a few years back because he'd made an official complaint about the police in my area pulling him up in his car. 18 times in a few short months he was pulled over. Everything was legal, everything was insured the only difference was he was black. It's stuff like this I can imagine can cause people to object to being stop and searched. And of course How has society got into such a situation that this goes on? That this sort of experience is day to day events. No one has said the looting is wrong, we just want people to look at the bigger picture and not just slam the 'scum' immediately and think it'll go away once they're locked up or shot with plastic bullets.

Exactly, I, like you was poor as a youth but I didn't face the day to day crap these youth do. I have no answer as to what can be done and I think it might be too late to fix the issues as it's been going on for centuries now.