Fair comment as far as sticking to non urban speed limits goes but, believe me, there's nothing dull about the concentration you need to fettle everything and the bottom line is safety and position, you can use absolutely everything you learn at a slightly quicker pace (If you want to) than when you are being observed or tested. Totally agree. I also agree ( as I know you Colin) that experience does count for a lot. As for me in only my 5th summer riding - boy am I having fun and since undertaking advanced training I can ride my bike to both it's and my limit. Cornering is now smooth and fast, I use my gears wisely. I am far from perfect and also still have errors - I put that down to inexperience, being human, oh and being a hormonal woman lol If you are thinking about it, just try it. You will soon decide if it is not for you. There is stil an element of pipe and slipper brigade with their " I know better than you" attitude. I just take their knowledge and ignore the ego. If more "normal" bikers went into advanced training then they would soon be outnumbered anyway and the image would change. Ok I will shut up now Youve convinced me..I'm in my first full year of riding but feel ready now to strenghen some areas of my riding.......I feel I am still slow assessing and entering some corners and could do with being more confident on motorways during certain conditions ie rain, and in the dark