Fake Leather Motorcyle Gear

[YoungRider]

I am going to buy a full set of motorbike gear soon and I do not want to wear real leather.

Are there any places where I can find fake leather gear like Jackets, Trousers etc.?

[Guest]

I am going to buy a full set of motorbike gear soon and I do not want to wear real leather.

Are there any places where I can find fake leather gear like Jackets, Trousers etc.?

 

I'm vegan and I can tell you that you will struggle. There are a few fake leather jackets but they aren't motorcycle jackets, no armour, padding etc. You're better off with textile, there are plenty of those. For boots, look for Lorica. SIDI are the main manufacturers that use it but also RST do racing boots and a couple of other manufacturers.

[YoungRider]

I am going to buy a full set of motorbike gear soon and I do not want to wear real leather.

Are there any places where I can find fake leather gear like Jackets, Trousers etc.?

 

I'm vegan and I can tell you that you will struggle. There are a few fake leather jackets but they aren't motorcycle jackets, no armour, padding etc. You're better off with textile, there are plenty of those. For boots, look for Lorica. SIDI are the main manufacturers that use it but also RST do racing boots and a couple of other manufacturers.

 

It has been a lot of trouble. Going to stick with textile jacket and will look for Lorica boots. Now the hard part, trousers. Do they actually sell fake leather trousers? Thank you

[Joeman]

Does it bother you that the tyres, and the plastics on the bike and the fuel you put in the tank is made from dead sea creatures?

[Guest]

The trouble with 'fake' leather is - at least with leather you know what you're getting up to a point. it will be of a certain thickness and so in a slide you know its not going to wear through in the split seconds or longer a particular patch is in contact with the tarmac.

There's years of experience behind this.

textiles as we know them today are fairly recent and there has been a tonne of innovation - materials like kevlar and cordura being the most obvious.

'fake' leather - nothing. because the market is so small to the point of being non-existent there wont be anything like the safety testing or even learning from experience of the other two materials. in short. it'll be worthless even if you manage to find it.

nothing wrong with being ethical and avoiding animal skins, but stick with textiles and give up this fake leather business, its not worth it.

[fullscreenaging]

Does it bother you that the tyres, and the plastics on the bike and the fuel you put in the tank is made from dead sea creatures?

 

I would imagine that is different as they weren't actually killed. They just died a shit long time ago.

[Guest]

Does it bother you that the tyres, and the plastics on the bike and the fuel you put in the tank is made from dead sea creatures?

 

I would imagine that is different as they weren't actually killed. They just died a shit long time ago.

 

Yes you're right. Bit of a silly question really but at least you know what vegan means, many don't! No, the animals died millions of years ago so not bothered. I'm vegan due to the cruel factory farming.

Again, you can get fake leather trousers but they aren't safe for biking, they are just fashion clothing. Textiles are far the safest way to go, maybe they don't look quite as cool but your option is looking cool or being safer. I know what I'd choose. You could always go the Kavlar jeans route if you prefer. At least they offer some protection.

[Joeman]

Ok here's a really silly question.. (Totally off topic)

If someone served you a plate of food with meat and a nice salad etc, would you eat the non-meat items and leave the meat, or reject the whole plate?

[Six30]

How many vegans does it take to change a light bulb ?

None , every one knows they can't change any thing.

[RantMachine]

I'm not one to pick on vegans, but I have to admit that was a pretty damn funny joke

But being serious, while it's not something I choose to do myself, I admire the dedication it takes.

[Six30]

I don't admire it .. I think it's weird, each to their own .

[Joeman]

I have no problem with vegans/vegies, it just fascinates me how many variations there are. Some will eat fish, others not. Some eggs, others not etc.. Some treat it like an allergy so if meat has been within sniffing distance of their food they refuse to eat it..

Rather than address the problem of cruel farming by sourcing ethically produced products, they chose to just stop eating them completely... Just seems a bit drastic to me!

[Stu]

[fq-craigus]

You need some straw sandals and hemp onsie by the sounds of it, will prob be just as safe as fake leather.

I dont pretend to understand the mentality behind not using or eating anything obtained by animals but surely there is a line between whats reasonable or not? Im not going to preach about how humans have raised animals for food long before veggies and vegans came about and that its what humans do and with all aspects there is a right way and wrong way.

Essentially go for textiles, they are ce approved and safer than fake leather (surely wearing even fake would make you 'look like' a hippocrit)

Im sure its not easy satisfying your beliefs sometimes but good luck with your choice.

And just to take off on a tangent but surely fossils that have been dead for many moons that we now burn, use ect and wear through and use so quick and easy dont you think its a terrible waste?

[Tango]

As Stu says, off Topic.......

I'm not going to judge.......just say that textiles are probably your best bet.......textiles like cordura and kevlar are well tried and tested.........

[Guest]

What I find amazing is that vegans are often accused of being pushy with their views and attacking meat-eaters for supporting cruelty but this isn't usually the case. It's usually meat-eaters that have the problem. I've simply given some advice about clothing that doesn't contain leather (as asked) and I'm expected to defend why I'm vegan. I don't mind sincere questions by someone who is open-minded and discussing veganism if someone genuinely wants to know more, but why would anyone care what I eat or don't? I find meat-eaters weird Six30.

Why would anyone want to eat the rotting remains of a dead animal, blood, bodily fluids, tendons, ligaments, organs.. a hens period (eggs), bee vomit (honey).. I'm weird because I eat fruit, veg, seeds, nuts, beans etc?

We are the only animal that drinks milk after weaning, but not our own but from another animal! Not weird, Six30?

If you believe what the dairy industry have been telling you all of your life - milk for strong bones and teeth, cheese on everything.. and of course all those dancing cows in the adverts you grew up with shows just how happy cows are, right? Osteoporosis shouldn't exist should it? You've been suckered mate!

Back to topic, some sites are selling off the SIDI black rain evo boots as they've been discontinued but they are usually smaller sizes below a 9.

How many carnivores does it take to change a light bulb?

None. They prefer to stay in the dark!

[Six30]

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[Guest]

Osteoporosis shouldn't exist should it

 

Bad example. Osteoporosis is a an ageing disease for women past the menopause and over the age of 75 and has nothing to do with milk.

 

We are the only animal that drinks milk after weaning

 

Thats true.. we have evolved mechanisms to digest milk, this made us healthy, live longer and allowed us to reduce our reliance on hunting.. always a dangerous practice.

 

How many carnivores does it take to change a light bulb?

None. They prefer to stay in the dark!

 

Another bad example.. there is no carnivore on the planet that is capable of changing a lightbulb. none have hands or the wit to understand what a lightbulb is.

Human beings aren't Carnivores. we're Omnivores and have evolved that way. Vegetarians and particularly Vegans have taken a different path and thats fine.. its nice that they can afford to live this way.. only made possible by living in a rich society that provides for people with alternative lifestyles. Otherwise they would be ill and dying by inches. They can only survive because they have ready access to Vitamin B12 (and others) that has been added to certain food stuffs. The only other people in the world who are living in this way are slowly dying from malnutrition. They're vegans/vegetarians too.. and i think. are standing on rather higher moral ground. Thats if they can stand at all.

Humans aren't 'made' to be vegan.. we simply aren't - nor are we 'made' to be carnivorous.. that is just as lethal. we're Omnivores. The clue is in our teeth and digestive system.

like I say.. its nice that vegans are able to make the choice and remain healthy.. only western civilisation makes this possible.

[Edd]

A few years ago, Michael Jackson eating popcorn would have popped up about now..

[Guest]

Bad example. Osteoporosis is a an ageing disease for women past the menopause and over the age of 75 and has nothing to do with milk.

 

It's true that it happens in the elderly (though not just) but ask yourself why are the rates considerably higher in the western countries? Why does that figure correlate with the increase in dairy intake. Do some research. The link between western diets and illnesses is proven.

It has everything to do with milk. Animal protein is acid -forming in the body and it has to neutralise that acidity somehow, How does it regulate that acidity? I'm not going to tell you, go and research it for yourself and come back to me.

 

we have evolved mechanisms to digest milk, this made us healthy, live longer and allowed us to reduce our reliance on hunting.. always a dangerous practice.

 

We are primarily herbivore who can survive on animal protein when needed, but we never needed to eat it as a major part of our diet. You make an argument for the biological, but what about the moral? Why is it so bad to care about other animals and why do we need to subject them to torture just because people 'want a bacon butty'. Humans = selfish and cruel.

 

its nice that they can afford to live this way.. only made possible by living in a rich society that provides for people with alternative lifestyles. Otherwise they would be ill and dying by inches.

 

Like the tens of millions of poverty stricken people in Asia (China, India etc) that have lived on a solely vegan-based diet but live to how old? It's only in recent times with the introduction of western diets that health is changing in Asia (for the worse). f**k McDonalds!

 

They can only survive because they have ready access to Vitamin B12 (and others) that has been added to certain food stuffs. The only other people in the world who are living in this way are slowly dying from malnutrition. They're vegans/vegetarians too.. and i think. are standing on rather higher moral ground. Thats if they can stand at all.

 

B12 is difficult as a Vegan these days because our food is commercialised. B12 naturally exists in soils which once upon a time were were getting in our diet naturally. These days we can't. That said, B12 is also found in seaweeds and some mushrooms such as Cremini mushrooms. It is just simpler to take a tablet though at less than 7p per day. This is how it has to be today.

 

Humans aren't 'made' to be vegan.. we simply aren't - nor are we 'made' to be carnivorous.. that is just as lethal. we're Omnivores. The clue is in our teeth and digestive system.

 

Can't be bothered arguing the teeth thing, done that to death. http://freefromharm.org/photo-galleries ... eat-eater/

Read "The China Study" - the biggest study ever done.

Dr. T. Colin Campbell, professor emeritus at Cornell University and author of The China Study, explains that in fact, we only recently (historically speaking) began eating meat, and that the inclusion of meat in our diet came well after we became who we are today. He explains that "the birth of agriculture only started about 10,000 years ago at a time when it became considerably more convenient to herd animals. This is not nearly as long as the time [that] fashioned our basic biochemical functionality (at least tens of millions of years) and which functionality depends on the nutrient composition of plant-based foods."

 

like I say.. its nice that vegans are able to make the choice and remain healthy.. only western civilisation makes this possible.

 

Western countries eat more meat than any other part of the world. Western countries also have the highest rates of heart-disease, osteoporosis and other major diseases than elsewhere too. Those are recorded facts.

It's your right to express your opinion, but don't tell me I'm wrong. You can't prove that I am. You talk about how we have evolved, fortunately I've evolved to care about other life. Many people call themselves "animal lovers" when infact they are "pet lovers". The dairy and meat-industries and cruel in many ways and as an evolved person, I can't support that.

Watch this if you're bored:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

[NeilM]

So. Textiles is probably the way forward.

[Guest]

but don't tell me I'm wrong.

 

I didn't. i just corrected your bad examples.. and really your reply to that was equally ill-informed... with even more bad examples, so no point in further discussion. you find the answers that suit you. people do that all the time, i prefer answers that can be proven.. or those that don't actually suit my presuppositions - its called 'learning'.

i have no problem whatsoever with people who choose not to do something for ethical reasons.. but when they try to justify those reasons by moving beyond ethics into B.S. then they lose all credibility.

[Guest]

but don't tell me I'm wrong.

 

I didn't. i just corrected your bad examples.. and really your reply to that was equally ill-informed... with even more bad examples, so no point in further discussion. you find the answers that suit you. people do that all the time, i prefer answers that can be proven.. or those that don't actually suit my presuppositions - its called 'learning'.

i have no problem whatsoever with people who choose not to do something for ethical reasons.. but when they try to justify those reasons by moving beyond ethics into B.S. then they lose all credibility.

 

Go and research. Don't take my word for it. The difference between you and I is that I'm a vegan, I've had 20 years to research what I know. Many scientific reports refer to the China Study. It's not bullshit at all. Only someone suffering a bit of cognitive dissonance would dismiss something off-hand without reading themselves.

I came on this thread to give advice about non-leather clothes, not be attacked for my moral standing. Maybe my reply in future would just be,. I'm vegan, mind your own business, it's just easier.

[Six30]

Vegans sound like Jehovah's Witness ... Got an answer for every thing.

What about a body armour jacket , knox do one , and you can wear what ever jacket you like over the top, perhaps one with a written message on

[Mr Fro]

Thank Christ nobody mentioned the reason those in the west suffer more age related disease such as osteoporosis is perhaps due to their enhanced lifespan.

But really, get a room you two. Some of us are here for fun.