jedibiker Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Hi all.. I will need to change the oil filter on the mrs bike at some point, and it looks like someone fitted a different exhaust at some point and il not be able to get the filter off without dropping the exhaust. As you can see, the bolts look terrible, and from testing one, seem soft. They look nothing like ones ive seen on google for the fazer so guessing they used differnt bolts too. Anyone know if these look right or not? And, when searching for fazers, there are so many model types but all i know is its a 2003 fazer 600 lol. or fzs600. (search thing mentioned N,S models etc) I know its not much to go by sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onesea Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I am sure mine where studs, the same as on TDM however I can on my photos they are alway hidden behind radiator... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgrump Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Hi @jedibiker, yep they look right for the Fazers, It is a bit of a tight squeeze to get the Oil Filter out! Part no for nut is 90179-06668, if you can find picture online. Send us a picture of front of exhaust near oil filter, but they look like stock headers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldgrump said: Hi @jedibiker, yep they look right for the Fazers, It is a bit of a tight squeeze to get the Oil Filter out! Part no for nut is 90179-06668, if you can find picture online. Send us a picture of front of exhaust near oil filter, but they look like stock headers. Ah right, when I changed the oil, I tried all ways to see if I could even get the new oil filter in, and there was no way at all. Even undid it at the back etc. I read its not easy, but if different manifold put on then have to come off. Which is stupid. So changed oil with doing it again soon in mind. Kind of pointless I know, but at least had a clean out. Il get a proper photo tomorrow, its outside in the dark now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD-40 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 The exhaust studs on Fazers are notorious for snapping. You can usually get an oil filter tool on an extension in between the middle two headers. Or if you're sitting on the ground at the side of the bike you can get your arm in behind the headers. It looks like you have a engine crash bar that's in the way? I would take that off and try getting in from the side instead of taking the exhaust off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgrump Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, WD-40 said: The exhaust studs on Fazers are notorious for snapping. You can usually get an oil filter tool on an extension in between the middle two headers. Or if you're sitting on the ground at the side of the bike you can get your arm in behind the headers. It looks like you have a engine crash bar that's in the way? I would take that off and try getting in from the side instead of taking the exhaust off. Hi, maybe the Crash Bars are in the way, It's been awhile since I did a fazer, but sure now they come out the side as @WD-40pointed out. Unscrew the filter and turn it 90 degrees across front of engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 As above, remove crash bar if it's obstructing side access, you should then be able to reach filter from the side with some long pointy mole grips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 if you are taking the manifold nuts off make sure you give them a good coating of plus gas first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) Il take a look, Id not really thought about the crash bars to be honest. Il get a few pics so you can see better. Edit... the crash bars dont get the way at all. Edited January 30, 2021 by jedibiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgrump Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Hi @jedibiker, Yep as you said After Market pipes, Looking at photo's I would say, no need to take the Crash bars off! you would't gain anything by removing them. The only way I reckon you could get filter out/in maybe coming in from bottom of left hand side, on last photo. I would try feeding new filter threaded end last, up behind exhaust. I know it's a bit restricted with other filter still in place, but you could see, if you could get above and drop it back down levelling it out as you did! The other problem is of course getting filter undone!!! Not much room to fit a Oil filter wrench in there. Maybe a Strap one! If you can't seem to fit filter in, you could try to take just the centre 2 pipes off, but I would spray the nut's and studs a lot at cylinder head, before even attempting to remove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 @oldgrump Yeah, when I did the oil, I did try and see if the new filter would atleast go in before attempting taking the old out. And there was no way it would go no matter what way or how I tried it. I saw a fazer post on google about aftermarket pipes having to come off. So seems daft putting them on. If I'm going to take any off Il do all and give the frame a proper clean up etc. Just worry normal fazer bolts wont fit, they should I guess. So spray penetrating spray, then heat, let cool or try warm? Already lined up bolt extractors in case of the worse lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD-40 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I see what you mean now. The header is nearly touching the oil filter! That's a poor design. The originals have plenty of space between the header and oil filter. Looks like the headers are separate pipes. Maybe you could get away with taking off just one of the middle headers and leave the rest on. The studs that snap are the middle ones since they are behind the front wheel and all the dirt from the road gets flung into them. Your studs could be ok since someone has had them off before to change the exhaust but if they feel tight or start to bind up as you're undoing them don't force them or they could snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, WD-40 said: I see what you mean now. The header is nearly touching the oil filter! That's a poor design. The originals have plenty of space between the header and oil filter. Looks like the headers are separate pipes. Maybe you could get away with taking off just one of the middle headers and leave the rest on. The studs that snap are the middle ones since they are behind the front wheel and all the dirt from the road gets flung into them. Your studs could be ok since someone has had them off before to change the exhaust but if they feel tight or start to bind up as you're undoing them don't force them or they could snap. 1 of them was really soft a while ago and snapped, but I didnt notice it wasnt moving the full bolt. Now id know to lubricate and maybe ease it back and forth. The pipes all join underneath but I do think the middle 2 might give just enough space. It is a terrible design, as anything you add to a bike should improve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgrump Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Hi @jedibiker, I use this a lot, find it slightly better than releasing spray, and you should be able to spray up the inside of nuts, Normfest Super Crack Ultra - Ice-Rust Remover 400mlProduct Code: NOR28944421 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, oldgrump said: Hi @jedibiker, I use this a lot, find it slightly better than releasing spray, and you should be able to spray up the inside of nuts, Normfest Super Crack Ultra - Ice-Rust Remover 400mlProduct Code: NOR28944421 thankyou,will look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 so this freezes the metal? in effect shrinks it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 43 minutes ago, WD-40 said: I see what you mean now. The header is nearly touching the oil filter! That's a poor design. The originals have plenty of space between the header and oil filter. Looks like the headers are separate pipes. Maybe you could get away with taking off just one of the middle headers and leave the rest on. The studs that snap are the middle ones since they are behind the front wheel and all the dirt from the road gets flung into them. Your studs could be ok since someone has had them off before to change the exhaust but if they feel tight or start to bind up as you're undoing them don't force them or they could snap. and put copper slip on the threads when you put them back 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, skyrider said: and put copper slip on the threads when you put them back 100%, will be putting new ones in too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Heat or freeze your trying to break the bond of the nut to the stud, I've always preferred heat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 Appreciate all the advice. Was going to get someone else to do it, but want to get used to doing these things.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Best way to learn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, jedibiker said: 100%, will be putting new ones in too and you could use brass nuts too 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedibiker Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, skyrider said: and you could use brass nuts too Are they better than stainless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyrider Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, jedibiker said: Are they better than stainless? the brass ones wont seize up 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 hours ago, skyrider said: the brass ones wont seize up And they are softer so the threads strip in them rather than the studs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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