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with all the new bikes having it do you think like I do it takes some of the

skill away from the rider, to keep front end down takes skill when your

running a 200bhp bike which to me takes some skill away from rider and

makes it about technology

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If it creates safer riders at a lower level of skill/experience it's a good thing, but if it has the Audi Quatro effect and turns every mediocre driver into a rally star then the casualty figures will go up rather than down.

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No I tink its a new skill you have to learn look at the difference between stoner who has got to grips with it and melandri.


Things move on and these bikes are in no way been controlled by riders lacking in immense skill.

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Ooops didn't notice it was in racing thread.


F1 have removed the traction control and they're having to learn to drive again - in a few years time they bike racers will probably have to do the same.

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No I tink its a new skill you have to learn look at the difference between stoner who has got to grips with it and melandri.


Things move on and these bikes are in no way been controlled by riders lacking in immense skill.

 

I think the opposite techno. I feel that it does mean riders have to learn a new riding style but it actually hides skill or more importantly lack of it.


I reckon the Stoner/Melandri thing is different too. Stoner was a crasher before he went to Ducati, always front end. For some reason he can set the bike up in a way that gives him the feel he needs at the front end to go quickly, but if others can't ride a bike like that.

peeps mention Melandri but he is a bloody fast rider. and other great riders have been unable to get to grips with the Ducati, Cappirossi especially.


It may even be the traction control that is preventing good riders from riding well. Stoner is massively overrated on the back of last years win.


All traction control is doing is masking lack of talent and thats plain wrong. It used to be the bike is %20 of the win and the rider %80... I dread to think what it is when riders like Stoner win.

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Did stoner crash cos it was his rookie year or was he on michellins?


Bridgestone front was exceptional last year may have also helped.


capirossi did better last year than any of the current ducati riders other than stoner.


traction control is here to stay and therefore has to be learned as we cant test the others on bikes without it you also cant say they wouldn't have been able to do it..the 250's dont have traction control after all.


Oh and the riders have a control over how much they use so it isnt stopping any good riders from riding beter.

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Suppose us armchair races should have a go am sure we could all have rossi et al he's cr@p now they have traction control..he just doesnt need to try!

 

I think the point is its the others who don't need to be as good as Rossi to look as good mate. 8)

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Suppose us armchair races should have a go am sure we could all have rossi et al he's cr@p now they have traction control..he just doesnt need to try!

 

I think the point is its the others who don't need to be as good as Rossi to look as good mate. 8)

 

:stupid: if they keep going it will not need a rider it will do it itself :?

a bit like that BMW (i think) that can go round the track by itself as fast

as JC on topgear :?

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That bmw just remembered where it had been driven by someone ffs..absolutly nowt like having traction control on a race bike.



ooo maybe they shouldnt have ride by wire cos that means its a fighter aircraft.


Ludicrous!

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no but technoligy is getting so you dont have to be good or even in the

car :? traction control stops them using to much right wrist so less of

the rider deciding and more the techy doing the thinking :?

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Well seemed like Lorenzo managed a hihside so do a few others the fact is things move on these bikes are prototype machines and as such take immense skill to ride traction control or not..and eventualy we as road riders should benefit 2.


I can imagine down the ages as things from disc brakes to even 4 strokes the same conversations going on.


The fact as someone used Rossi his skill is also shown in the fact he can adapt quickly.


No one moaned when traction control helped JT to his wsbk title.

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I am not moaning about Rossi I am moaning about the techy taking the skill

away, just look how bad it got with F1 :? everything is done by pc, even

down to the mixture that can be changed while its going round track :?

not saying they don't have a lot of skill and talent just saying :?

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And my point is that technology isnt just computers its materials, chassis engineers, tyre tecs,suspension tecs, race engineer,s fuel specialists etc etc traction control is just one thing and to be fair if they all have it has less effect than say having and not having a spring valve engine, factory support and even more so the correct tyres.


Nice debate tho!

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I liked when you were watching through the side camera on bike at front

wheel and you watched as the started comming out the bend and they

were still over on their side and the front wheel was already lifting off the

tar :twisted: none of that now :cry:

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Lots of good points, but its a shame when JT needed traction control in 07 to allow him to keep up and eventually win. He shows up the whole argument well. He would have won WSB if no one had traction control. But he would have lost it if other lesser riders had it and he didn't.


The argument about engineering and suspension and brakes are all good points but off the mark. None of those will allow a rider who lacks the ability or balls to or timing to get on the gas out over a corner early, but traction control will.


And Lorenzo's high side is memorable because its such a rare occurrence these days because traction control has almost eliminated it. Which is a good thing and a bad thing. Good for safety... bad because it means riders like that pouting petulant prat Stoner can just whack open the throttle coming out of the bend confident his computer will protect him and allow his speed advantage to win the race for him.

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MotoGP should have traction control, it is a prototype race series after all

 

Negative akey. Its an entertainment and as such should entertain. The entertainers are the RIDERS racing bikes, not test monkies demonstrating the prowess of a manufacturer. IMHO.

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Traction control definately gives an advantage to lesser riders/bikes over ones without.

In F1 Renault I believe were first to gain advantage with traction control and the rest of the grid were forced to follow suit to keep up. The early Renaults with TC made their second driver look world class (Trulli/Fisi?)compared to the drivers without TC! The FIA wanted to outlaw TC but found it difficult to police so legalised it and it was then adopted by all teams. F1 dropped it when they decided they wanted more driver input into the racing and they were happy they could police it out of the series.


It's a great technology but it's to the detriment of real racers to my mind.

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MotoGP should have traction control, it is a prototype race series after all

 

I understand that m8 but it makes it so less to do with rider and more the

ride :( and not as much fun to watch :(

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It should be down to rider skill not the skill of the engineers....


The traction control HAS made a lot of mediocre riders look good and a the really good ones look brilliant but sanitised....


It is mainly used to make the tyres last longer....


Where are the smoking tyres and power slides of the great races of the past....


I say take it away like F1 and the racing will be more exiting...

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