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i've got an odd problem with my zx9r (b1) engine. on a balanced throttle, the engine loads and unloads continuously.


i can hear it as i ride along. there is a distinct noise when the engine is just under load and another when it is just off load. i can hear it loading unloading when holding the throttle steady and riding along a flat road. i can also feel the bike surging slightly as the noise changes.


this happens mainly at low revs and gets better if i drop a gear or two.


i balanced the carbs which did improve things and i've also fitted new secondary air injection valves incase this was affecting low speed running.


the bike runs fine apart from this and doesn't burn any oil.


any suggestion?

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thanks for that. i already changed the air filter and the plugs before i balanced the carbs. i drained the carbs and washed them through with carb cleaning spray but didn't strip them down as them seemed in pretty good nick and the bike idles smoothly and pulls cleanly (now the cards are balanced :? )


chain tension is fine too. this one's got me really stumped!

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known issue, can be two things, carb icing(even in nice weather, not just winter), and wind shear across the ram air.


If its bad in side winds, its wind shear, if its all the time, Id try a fuel additive, or super unleaded for a tankfull. see if it improves. Cheap supermarket fuel can be a beggar for it.


Just one thing to check, ensure the ramair pressure pipe(the little black ones that plumb into the raimair ducts then(I think) possibly T together, and head back to the carbs to pressurise the cv chambers, are fully plumbed in, clipped on, and no leaks. If they are left off, the carbs refuse to work at speed, but if split slightly, they can lead to all manner of hunting and surging at slight speeds.

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i got similar issues with mine such as low revs i'm like a kangaroo but many kawasaki experts have told me it is a problem they all have but cleaning the carbs helps aswell as balancing.

Another problem they've got is the cams wear down very quickly to soft metal, espeacially if you do a lot of wheelies :oops: if so tell no one and get rid.(unless your loaded)

But i'm only going by what i've been told, i hope that helps?


Also whats the mileage as general wear and tear plays a part

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it's done 42k but i've had the rocker cover off and cams look in good nick, only normal rub marks you'd expect to see.


i'll give the petrol addative a try tomorrow and see how it goes. failing that, it looks like a full carb strip down will be needed.... oh joy :cry:


when i balanced the carbs, they were well out to begin with and i got them as close as i could. they weren't perfect but had about 5mm difference between each cylender (carbtune vacum gauges) acording to the the carbtune manual this is fine.

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:? not sure then as i put the standard on mine and it makes a big difference.(but i cant have a quiete bike)

The only thing would be give it to a dealer but that would cost millions!

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give it to a dealer..... what and give up!..... never.....


we shall fight on the beaches,

we shall fight on the landing grounds,

we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,

we shall fight in the hills;

we shall never surrender..... to dealer at any rate :wink:

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Id try a fuel additive, or super unleaded for a tankfull. see if it improves.

 

well, 1 tank of super unleaded, half a bottle of redex, a full bore blast down the nearby motorway for a few miles and, well..... it's a little bit better. it's livable but it will still iritate me.


i think all this proves is i need a full carb strip down and overhaul. just need to find the time to do it :roll:


thanks for giving it some thought though...

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