fighting the gov't/police for our freedom

[Guest]

just saw this and have a feeling its only the beginning.

http://www.mcnninjas.co.uk/forum/index. ... ic=78930.0

sure the cat n fiddle is only one road but if people just bend

over without any resistance, theres no telling how fast overpolicing

and specific targetting of bikers will spread.

biking is one of the few affordable freedoms normal people have.

surely its time to start preparing before theres nowhere left to go

without feeling like a criminal just for overtaking grandad doing 40.

idea wise i only have one but quite like it.

GO SLOWS (10-20mph) on all the routes where bullying and targetting tactics are used

causing disruption and overwhelming these facists with pure numbers.

it looks as tho the cat n fidd is as good a start as any.

im not one of these trouble causers, i just want to be left alone to enjoy my hobbies.

i pay my taxes so clown and co can waste it on bankers and the growing underclasses

who want for nothing. im no good at arranging massive events etc, but together surely we can make a difference.

this country puts up with all kinds of shite like having virtually the highest priced fuel

in the world to pay not for roads but waste. the police are next to useless

at dealing with proper criminals but are great at sitting in camera vans.

average speed cameras/speed traps are springing up everywhere fining millions to pay for more waste. so a word of warning.

do nothing and there will be box's, cameras, vans disguised as trees!, surveillance,

cctv, anything that dilutes our freedom. i seriously think its time to take a stand.

btw i mainly stick to limits but pin the throttle now and again coming out of a corner

or to overtake where i will break the limit for maybe 5-20secs. im soon back to around the

limit and get nearly 50mpg on a zx6r so im no loon! i also disagree

with bikers who give us all a bad name by often going 3 figure speeds with maybe

their kid on the back in the wet etc. lets have common sense all round.

sadly i predict we will do nothing, but only together can a difference be made.

my small and individual bit of resistance is to never ever vote labour in future,

cameras have gone crazy with their nannying ways, they should stick to nannying

the underclasses to make sure they're all warmer than us, have cars, plasma tvs and holidays.

any positive action going, count me in.

Edited April 12, 2009 by Anonymous

[Guest]

Never been to a road like that, but the roads round here have a camera every 200 yards, and those stupid things that flash you your speed at you...

To quote Greenstreet 'We don't run, we stand our ground and fight!'

Im not sure its the most appropriate quote, but I like it non-the-less...

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[Revvin Kevin]

I vote for make a stand, what's the plan then

[Korben]

Yeah, make a stand..... Let's all ride around slowly in big groups..

Well what will that achieve.....

We all ride around slowly.

We all spend a lot of money on petrol.

We all get ignored.

Sounds like the government getting their way.

This does not work. It never has, it never will. If it ain't making the government money THEY WILL IGNORE YOU!!!!!!

[Guest]

I vote for make a stand, what's the plan then

 

well hopefully this thread will rack up some support so we can see where we

are as bikers. as support grows anybody can propose a plan for go slows/dates etc

on routes they feel we are being discriminated againt/intimidated/bullied.

i would like to see bikers unite and as we do we can all monitor the hotspots

to gauge whether its them sending a message at the start of the season,

or whether they intend to try and intimidate all summer.

if they want to bully us for sustained periods, we HAVE to act or

irreversable changes could be made that affect our freedom.

if they spend millions on high tech stuff to target us, whos gonna spend

millions to rip it out?

i actually feel paranoid on the road and am forever checking mirrors incase im

been tailed! this is making me less safe! sure i could have 8 kids and sit in

council house watching sky on a plasma like they probably want me to do, but

i like biking, not wasting away.

[Guest]

Yeah, make a stand..... Let's all ride around slowly in big groups..

Well what will that achieve.....

We all ride around slowly.

We all spend a lot of money on petrol.

We all get ignored.

Sounds like the government getting their way.

This does not work. It never has, it never will. If it ain't making the government money THEY WILL IGNORE YOU!!!!!!

 

disruption gets publicity, disruption can cost the economy money.

hit them where it hurts. how can thousands of bikers on a route

with a common cause not send a message at least.

it doesnt have to be a go slow or happen on the route.

it could happen on the m1 or westminster.

when all the best roads have been nannyfied, what will you say then!?

saying that i dont intend to debate with every pessimist cos i'll never get out

which is letting them win like doing nothing is.

[PhatDad]

It won't work. Look at the go slow by truckers, worked for a day and now look at the fuel prices.

Best thing we can do is keep riding and wait until we're able to choose 'Non of the above' at general election time.

[Guest]

to be fair fuel prices is real tough to break cos

they rely so much on them for their failings.

its worth the economy losing a few million through disruption cos they net billions in fuel taxes.

with us they have less to gain but could face big disruption

if apathy doesnt prevail of course. 1000, 10000, 100000 bikes in one strategic area?

would be great to be a part of that in history, even if it failed

it would probably be a good laugh!

[queen bodecia]

Motorcyclists are a small minority of road users in this country (less than 1%), yet we account for 26% of serious accidents/casualties. Before we start throwing our very insignificant weight around suggesting that we are the target of police bullying tactics we should really get our own houses in order. The sad fact is we are seen by the masses as being anti-social. Bikes can be loud; in tranquil villages on a sunny Sunday, that's quite unpleasant to some people. Others can feel intimidated by being overtaken by a fast-moving motorcycle. Others feel aggrieved by sitting in traffic whilst two-wheeled vehicles filter pas them. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with any of these viewpoints, I'm just stating how we as a group of road users can be perceived by others...

I don't see an easy solution as motorcycling is never going to be a majority interest in this country. It has been in steady decline since the 1960s and will continue to do so. However, by acting courteously on the roads and taking additional training or whatever is necessary to bring those horrific statistics down is in my opinion the best means we have at our disposal of becoming more acceptable to the rest of the population...

Of course we are an easy target for the police. We are our own worst enemies. What you're suggesting is that we revolt against having to obey the law. That's not going to win us an popularity contests...

[Revvin Kevin]

The problem is, bikers are a minority so no-one will ever take any notice of us. The new traffic monitoring systems in Derbyshire do not only target bikers but all vehicles. The system needs highlighting to all the car drivers that will be monitored too, then it will become more of a political issue.

There must be some human rights law that should outlaw this type of tracking system . The problem is, the goverment will just invoke another anti terrorism act to cover it. We are all being monitored already, internet, mobiles, ANPR, CCTV, Satellite? etc. etc. it's scary.

It's not like we are criminals or anything, perhaps just straying over the (unrealistic, artificially low limits,) now and again is hardly the crime of the centuary.

The only thing to do is either ride to the speed limit, go elsewhere or ditch the bike

[Guest]

yes some people are against bikes but its not very nice as a biker

when people pull out on you and knock you off etc.

im not talking about them and us with other road users,

they're really quite safe in their high ncap rated cars.

its true that they knock the limit to 50 from 70 then enforce it with

resources that youd never see if you were a real victim of crime.

its true that our privacy is being invaded as we are tracked

and data is being built up on us so we can be kept in our place.

but as predicted the 'we cant do anything' brigade that typify

the apathy in this failing country are fairly prevalent in biking too.

guns are dangerous and kill 10's of thousands in the US but the govt

darent take them on cos they dont bend over when they get targetted.

car drivers arent buying cars and can you blame them? modern cars that

speed easy, whats the point? better off in a cheap town runner with no power.

who wants to go anywhere in a car anyway with all the traffic on the

badly designed roads. get a decent car and they tax it to hell and

put you in jail if you use half its potential. cars are finished, guess what, we're next people!

i read somehwere theres a million bikes out there. thats not so insignificant.

i paid my 340 insurance, 66 tax which im sure will be going up soon, 40 for mot,

extortionate fuel prices etc. tell you what why not forget all that (fuel aside) if they wanna

have it up me for overtaking someone and put a dodgy plate on.

when the lights go on i'll fk off cos their not allowed to chase bikes,

beat them at their own nannying game. that would be criminal of me

so at least i would then warrant being treated like a criminal.

and in other news if i get injured or worse on a bike its my decision.

gordon clown or some 10 bob 10% crime detecting rate policeforce will

have no bearing on my destiny. if a car driver staring at their speedo does

knock me off or i crash while staring in my mirrors for a tail at least ill be left

alone 6ft under. i want to do the right thing but the whole thing stinks,

they'll ban me from playing golf next cos someone could get a titleist in the head.

all this effort they go to, anyone would think the economy wasnt £2trillion in debt

and there werent other problems/crimes to sort out!

so we have action, dodgy plates, do nothing, ditch biking, always stick to

more and more deliberately lowered limits so far. i still prefer action but there is one more.

FKIN EMIGRATE FROM THIS SHITE HOLE!

[Voodoo]

If you wanted to disrupt the camera's on the cat & fiddle, then this is what you'd need to do. Get two number plates the same. Stick one on your back and walk past the camera, then telephone your mate who has the other number plate stuck on his back and get him to walk past the next camera straight away. They would clock your speed at a silly amount, and if the plate said something like "up yours" on it, who would they send the ticket to?

[stevie16v]

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Edited April 15, 2009 by stevie16v

[Guest]

stevie16v the probs are pretty clearly stated imo. its all very well taking

the laws perspective cos its prob your job, but it gets peoples backs up when

yous sit in cameravans and pay so much attention to roads and not proper criminals.

the limits are going down everywhere and they then stick cameras and vans there

and watch the revenue come in, pathetic policing. how can anyone pretend camera vans always sit at accident hotspots! its beyond well known they often go where they can catch

the most people, not save the most lives, its a con!

i never actually called police useless, we need them for a certain detterent/protection

and getting crime ref numbers for insurance claims. i think i said 'next to useless'

which was a reference to crime detection rates of what 20%? 0% would be useless

so thankfully theres still some way to go! at least people caught speeding has

gone up dramaticaly though! and guess what, road casualties are very similar/the same

as they were years ago despite much safer cars! like i said, con.

i appreciate your good intentions etc but i couldnt bear to be patronised and

told what to do by people who support whats going on. deep down you must

realise this politically correct nanny state is taking us to ruin. for example its well know

the police spend too much time doing paperwork etc when not in camera vans etc.

with less paperwork perhaps they could get sanction detection rates up to 30%, with less

obsession with speed 35%? we'll never know will we stevie cos it'll never happen!

[Guest]

Woaaaah

Way too much writing for me 2 read, but why am I seeing so much stuff like this on the forum these days ?

It gives me a headache..

[Guest]

My observation is that all too often these cameras are placed in locations where people speed not where people crash.

If the penalties for getting it wrong were higher fewer people would risk having an accident in the first place.

[Scorpion]

Am i the only one here who thinks this guy is talking utter rubbish?

1. if were being pedantic, police dont sit in camera vans, its civillian staff, so no less police officers are taken off the streets.

2. have you ever tried being a police officer? Have you ever sat and looked a paedophile in the eye? have you ever told a mother than her son has died? have you ever had a knife pulled on you only because of your job?

The law is the law, get used to it. Its not going to change.

If the speed limit is 50, its 50. Not 55. Its 50 for a reason, and someone has made it 50 for that reason,

Road safety is a huge thing. So that isnt going to, nor shoudl it change.

Stopping motorists also results in a lot of crime detection.

Im sick and tired of people on this forum, slagging the police off 24/7, you'd soon moan if we weren't here. All i can say in response to your posts, with respect, is get a grip. The law is the law, abide by it, i have to, so does everyone else.

[cossie916]

Woaaaah

Way too much writing for me 2 read, but why am I seeing so much stuff like this on the forum these days ?

It gives me a headache..

 

Making a stand will do nothing. The do-gooder life saving lobby are far too thick skinned to bow down to some bikes going slow on a road they want bikes to go slow on anyway!

If you really want to raise the issue, take your number plates off and ride the cat and fiddle at your own pace. That won't stop it either, but at least you'll have fun and the bike hating general public will be justified in their opinion at last!

[Guest]

You are missing the point Andy.

As more and more laws are introduced, many without the full process of Parilamentary discussion, the noose is tightening. If I had been accepted into the Police I would have thought the same as you - it's a no-brainer if you're in that line of work.

However, the insidious and undemocratic way the speed limits are being reduced on perfectly safe rural roads raises certain questions and creates extra unnecessary workloads for the Police and the ludicrously named 'Justice Department'.

On local roads the limit has been reduced from a healthy 60 to an over cautious 40 - the road itself has not changed and is still safe at 80+ in places, the 40 limit does not automatically mean it is dangerous to exceed that speed. So we need to ask why was it reduced? On what 'evidence' was this action taken by a publicly funded body? How much did it cost, and if it proves ineffective, what measures are in place to return it to its previous state?

Having taken this action, for whatever compelling reasons they had, it needs to be Policed to be effective - thus, a driver who was fastidious in sticking 5 MPH blow the NSL last month is now considered to be an anti-social criminal who is recklessly exceeding the limit by a whopping 15MPH - 37% over the posted limit.

More laws create more criminals, erosion of existing rights makes us all at risk of falling foul of the Government's desire to control our every move, mood, and bodily function.

Although the Police take a bashing on these and other bike forum pages it is usually following a bad experience from a 'points make prizes' indoctrinated officer rather than a genuine penalty for a genuine offence.

I think you will find that there is, in fact, a great deal of support for a dedicated and mature traffic branch from the biking community.

As for your "The law is the law, abide by it, i have to, so does everyone else." quote, you have admitted on these pages that you have and do exceed the speed limit on occasion. On these occasions you have used your experience and judgement to justify your action because you have deemed it to be safe to do so. As a mature adult I would like to be extended the same courtesey.

[techno]

Am i the only one here who thinks this guy is talking utter rubbish?

That would appear to be 2 of you it seems, but he has a right to his opinion the same as you or will that be banned soon?

1. if were being pedantic, police dont sit in camera vans, its civillian staff, so no less police officers are taken off the streets.

NO police sit in traffic cars hidded in laybys

2. have you ever tried being a police officer? Have you ever sat and looked a paedophile in the eye? have you ever told a mother than her son has died? have you ever had a knife pulled on you only because of your job?

No we havent but then again that was your choice of job no one forced you too! But then again some of us may have met some of these scum as a member of the public and found the police lacking

The law is the law, get used to it. Its not going to change.

If the speed limit is 50, its 50. Not 55. Its 50 for a reason, and someone has made it 50 for that reason,

No its not how can breaking, cornering and safety of vehicles all increase immensly and the speed limit come down, i could ride above the posted speed limit quite safely where some inexperienced or down right "wonder how they even passed a test" person shits themselves. They are lowering limits for no reason as is usual this day and age instead of better training or detection they are trying to limit us all to the worst case scenario.

Road safety is a huge thing. So that isnt going to, nor shoudl it change.

Stopping motorists also results in a lot of crime detection.

Im sick and tired of people on this forum, slagging the police off 24/7, you'd soon moan if we weren't here. All i can say in response to your posts, with respect, is get a grip. The law is the law, abide by it, i have to, so does everyone else.

 

[The law maybe the law but as we live in a country that is supposed to allow free speech we dont have to agree with it, surely if we all did why would we need the police?

[Guest]

Am i the only one here who thinks this guy is talking utter rubbish?

1. if were being pedantic, police dont sit in camera vans, its civillian staff, so no less police officers are taken off the streets.

2. have you ever tried being a police officer? Have you ever sat and looked a paedophile in the eye? have you ever told a mother than her son has died? have you ever had a knife pulled on you only because of your job?

The law is the law, get used to it. Its not going to change.

If the speed limit is 50, its 50. Not 55. Its 50 for a reason, and someone has made it 50 for that reason,

Road safety is a huge thing. So that isnt going to, nor shoudl it change.

Stopping motorists also results in a lot of crime detection.

Im sick and tired of people on this forum, slagging the police off 24/7, you'd soon moan if we weren't here. All i can say in response to your posts, with respect, is get a grip. The law is the law, abide by it, i have to, so does everyone else.

 

Excuse me??? Not entirely a factual statement... I would go so far to say as its WAY off the mark!! If you look you will see that this forum is mainly full of people who respect the legal system, and try and lead new bikers and other forum members into doing the same. You always get a few anti police and you will always get people who dont agree with certain aspects of the law, thats the way the world is, and as this is a public forum, people are allowed to voice their opinion and debate issues.

Now if you think 'we' slag off the police 24/7, I suggest you read the other 99.9% content of the forum and change that opinion.

[Korben]

It's all very tedious

http://nickpoint.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/citizensmith.jpg

Citizen Smith... This is a character from a COMEDY program... Yes, people just laughed at his character.

I will repeat my statement that this is nothing more than a waste of time and money to all motorcyclists who take part in this protest. The government won't listen, and won't care if you hold a go slow or hold up a couple of thousand people from getting to work for an hour or 2 one morning.... You will probably spend more on fuel than the government will lose because of your protest it will be that useless because THEY WILL IGNORE YOU AS IT'S NOT MAKING THEM ANY MONEY!!!... Oh and let's not forget all the Police hanging around the protest that will check out as many bikes as possible for illegal numberplates, exhausts, uninsured riders, untaxed vehicles and all the other stuff they can (Rightly - no matter if you like it or not) do you for. Will probably be a nice little earner for the government!!

I am not a pessimist, I am simply an intelligent well balanced man who can stand back, look at both sides of the argument, see why some things are done and make my decision.

If the Police want to bring down some speed limits (And yes I agree with everyone that some speed limits are stupidly low!!!!!) then let em. They won't cover the whole country with speed cameras. Well not in our life times anyway. Their are some awesome roads out there that I go around a lot, thrash my bike on and see incredibly large amounts of other bikers. Yet never any Police. Never any speed cameras, and never see or hear any bikers having accidents. That's why the Police don't bother with them.

The C&F, the A6 and the Via Gella have been reduced on speed limits for one reason. Bikers keep crashing on them. If bikers didn't crash the roads would be largely ignored. Yeah it annoys me, but I ain't gonna fight the government because when they see me as a biker on those roads they feel they must slow me down. It's not a surprise when you look at the stats.

You know what though, each to their own. Go on your protest and think that you are accomplishing something... Should be a good day out if the weather is up to it.

[cossie916]

Find another road!

Or do a track day.

[Korben]

Find another road!

Or do a track day.

 

Look at Phil Gales reaction after a track day.... Now looking at getting a road bike that is not a sports bike and just enjoying himself on the track.

[Guest]

That was a lot of reading, and in fact wasted minutes of my life that I could have spent reading something more worthwhile.

As usual, the mods and admin are spot on in here, and in my opinion reflect the general attitude of the forum.

But please Ash77, lighten up mate. The Cat & Fiddle is targeted becuase of the amount of accidents. There is also an anti social element which also descend on it, just search You tube, and it will become clear.

I'm all for a stimulating debate on subjects such as this, but I believe I would be hard pressed to actually debate with you, as you seem to have made your mind up.