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Well, the bikes due an MOT end of June,


so as i had a day off on friday, i thought i'd put her in, get a new front tyre and be done for another year, hadn't noticed any major problems, had just overhauled the rear caliper, and thought about doing the fronts for good measure once i had the old girl back..


anyway.

new front tyre and MOT £100..


MOT FAIL..


brakes binding slightly, and fork oil/seals needed replacing.. hadn't noticed (and last MOT the KATANA past with bust seals and gunge as fluid...)


so dealer called me, they were going to sort out the caliper and the fork seals/oil, another £135....


so i gave the OK, thinking that would be the end, shed get a new ticket, and i'd have her back in time for a ride..


NOPE...


the calipers were cleaned, and needed new seals.... (I thought thats what they were going to do...?) so another £51.....


things are getting expensive and out of control, but as they had the calipers off i thought, ok then..


anyway, got a call today..


the calipers won't bleed up properly.. the hoses (prob original 1998), have outlived there useful life... and possibly the master cylinder needs overhauling, but won't know until theyve changed the hoses...


so, I am going to pay for the work completed, and bring my baby home, and can have chance to slow down this runaway train with my hard earned wonga..


I have access to the web, have fitted lines before, and will probably go down the SS braided route, as originals are still £150.. and my labour is free, will just have to pay another MOT Fee.. will do the master cylinder too as M&p do a kit for £18.. so may as well, don't want it failing again..


Morale of this dilemma, don't take it as red that what the dealer has told you, is all the work needed, sometimes, it just shows other faults, and know when to say stop, have a good think and resume things at a slower pace, ..


needless to say, apart from getting the bike home, a run out in this weather is off the cards, until shes fixed, luckily i still have a months MOT, so once sorted, can get out.....

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you don't have a month left on the MOT, assuming its the same as a car.


Unlike the old system, if you take it to a test the moth before you can leave with 13months MOT, but if you fail it, you loose the overlap on the original MOT.

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That is an old trick to quote for something and then when you give the go ahead they open the bike/car up and then say it needs something else and then something else and so on and so forth.


I took a friend's 50cc scooter to a mechanic who had one look at it and said it is an air box that it needs and will be fixed in 15 minutes. Well, a week later and loads of money and headache, I finally told the mechanic to put the scooter back together and I will bring a trailer and take it away.


Took it away to a friend's garage and had a look. An adjustment of gap on the new spark plug got the scooter working absolutely perfectly. The fool wanted another £200 to open the engine and check the cylinder as he said there was an air leak into the engine :roll:


Had a similar problem with a car. A 50p solenoid (it was 1983) cost me £343.80 :evil:

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well, i'd given the bike a once over, and whilst i had dropped the rear caliper, i took the fronts off, the pads were fine, and the brakes weren't binding, as i'd come across this on a bandit, and it cost me a disk, (overheated/warped) plus i push it out of my yard, so this would have made it heavier to push..


the brakes worked, and would perform an emergency stop. but could have done with some tlc..


and the forks weren't weeping..


When they MOT'd the Katana.. bearing in mind that the bike was 1982, (which you'd expect Suzuki dealer to know) and they had the import log book etc.. they insisted on fitting a front brake switch (it wasn't required until later) but i was going to ride it, and as its safety let it go..


I think, i'll bring it home.. and then take it somewhere else for a re-MOT, once I've changed the hoses (Braided off the web, is going to be cheaper than main dealer, and look/last longer..)


I wonder if the times we are in, necessitate these dealers to eeek out every inch of work, turning Advisory into fails... If so, it's a sad state of affairs.. and will make me rethink before going back to main dealers....

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you don't have a month left on the MOT, assuming its the same as a car.


Unlike the old system, if you take it to a test the moth before you can leave with 13months MOT, but if you fail it, you loose the overlap on the original MOT.

 


so i take it that even though i have a current ticket, as it has failed, its now Non MOT'd..


how does this leave me for getting it home, (other side of town).


getting it to a re-MOT isn't a problem, as if its booked in for MOT, then the journey there is OK..

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am pretty sure you can't ride it home either!

so my discussion today needs to include whether they can drop it off, got to be cheaper than letting them ride roughshod with jobs..


expecting it to cost another £150 for hoses and £30 for master cylinder plus labour, so in excess of £250, which i can't afford, whereas, i can get the hoses and master cylinder kit for less than £100, with no labour costs, as and when, just means i can't ride for a couple of weeks..

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When the SR failed it's MOT in november, I was told by the MOT station that I still had a ticket up until the old one ran out. Don't take my word for it though.


Frankie having read your posts, I'm suprised you ever bothered getting a dealer to do the work. I have no doubt you know how to yourself. I guess it's convinience, atleast you'll save a few doing the lines yourself.


So far I've had to spend £250 on the GS, and that's to make it LESS powerful. Then it's tyres were nackerd, another £180. I haven't even ridden it yet! And I can't go to work because I've got exams all the time.


So I know what you mean about costs building up almost uncontrollabley.


all the best with it though mate, i'm sure she'll sail through when it's done.

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Just got off the phone with the Dealer,


She hasn't been MOT'd so therefore has not yet failed, so I am settling my bill of £290.. and collecting the old girl this evening.


Then some fettling, and off to another place for an MOT.. probably not a mian dealer..


oh, and quoted £204 to finish the work, £80 for hoses, £23 Master Cylinder Kit, MOT and labour..


I can probably do it for half that..


Bill, yeah, i could have done all that needed doing (in whose opinion????) but it sounded like an easy solution, as i would have had the bike to ride last weekend, rather than a pile of bits... (then again, i enjoy getting my hands dirty.. just as much as riding..)

:cheers:

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am pretty sure you can't ride it home either!

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108


It is generally an offence to use on a public road, a vehicle of testable age that doesn’t have a current test certificate, except when:

taking it to a test station for a test booked in advance

bringing it away from a test station after it has failed the test, to a place of repair

taking it to or bringing it away from a place where, by previous arrangement, repairs are to be made or have been made to fix the problems that caused the vehicle to fail its test

Even in the above circumstances you may still be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle if it doesn’t comply with various regulations affecting its construction and use. Also, the insurance may not be valid.


On that basis, if your home is the place of repair, you can drive it home :P

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you don't have a month left on the MOT, assuming its the same as a car.


Unlike the old system, if you take it to a test the moth before you can leave with 13months MOT, but if you fail it, you loose the overlap on the original MOT.

 

Can you cite a reference please, since that is contrary to advice that I have been given and is not in accordance with my understanding of how the MOT Scheme works.


I have already searched the VOSA and DSA websites and all relevant references to expiry dates suggest that early expiration does not happen under any circumstances.

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Go on Frankie, like Bill says you're up to it (so now that's at least 2 people that say so!). Pay the bleeders their dues and be done with them.


It might not be much use to you now because so much needs doing (or rather parts need ordering which could take days). But for others that are reading this it's useful to know that if your vehicle does fail it's MOT you're legally entitled to take it away, do the work yourself and then take it back for a free retest. That's as long as it's within 24 hours. I don't imagine you have spare brake lines and disks, etc lying round but if you did you could have a few cans and get stuck in tonight!

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She hasn't been MOT'd so therefore has not yet failed, so I am settling my bill of £290.. and collecting the old girl this evening.

:cheers:

the bike still has an MOT until the 29th June, as she wasn't MOTD then nothing has been revoked.


anyway paid the dealer the pricely sum of £289.00.. and got to take the bike home, (however using engine braking and back brakes, and some very gentle riding, (got to be slowest i've ridden since doing my test..LOL) Had my jacket and boots in the car, so left the car (free parking after 6..) and my sister helped me out with a lift to get the car.


Bikes now had the hoses off, the calipers are upside down on an old towel after draining..

the front of the bike has been rinsed down, to remove any stray fluid.. and the master cylinder is now in large pieces, oh, and i had a spare in my box of tricks, but gonna overhaul rather than replace, could be both are suspect..


check out my new post, may need some help getting the master cylinder apart (plunger Mechanism).. (just gotta have some food......)


EDIT: Haynes CD has overhaul destructions....

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