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Maybe this belongs in bike chat but to me it's a racing technique.


Can somebody tell me the advantage of hanging off, knee down ect.? How does it make you corner quicker, or is it to keep you stable? I've been thinking about this for a while now, would you not have more control fully on the seat with your knees in contact with the bike?


I still say I'm a noob, had my lisecnce 8 months, just watched the ron haslem bike school DVD got me wondering.

Posted

Hanging off allows you to turn faster and tighter without actually leaning the bike as much. It's basically shifting the weight...


The knee is mainly for feel... Allows you to know how much further you can or can't lean the bike.... Of course the real real pro's can "Save it on the knee" if they take it too far, they can push back up with the knee...

Posted (edited)

:stupid:


I have started to do this in my everyday riding particularly if the road conditions are favourable :wink:


Balls on pegs :shock: :lol: , shift ass off the seat to inside of bend and

weyhey!!!


For me it feels much better at higher speeds than leaning with my knees clamped to the tank and you can accelerate through the bend better :wink:


I dont put the knee down though.


I first did this on a clear roundabout

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Posted

Same here mate... Still well away from knee down, but in the tighter faster corners it brings a lot more confidence to my riding.

Posted

Its as Korben says but its for the track you really dont need to do knee down on the road but a little body movement does make a lot of difference!

Posted

I don't hang off the bike but shift my weight around on the seat, my knee does hang out a little but I think only for balance as I don't tip it in that far, balls of my feet on the pegs always

Posted

It's physics mate. I'm no scientist and have never actually taken physics but, by hanging off the bike into the corners you are lowering the centre of gravity so more of the G force is pushing the wheels to the tarmac and you're able to use much more of the tyre as you're not lowering the bike as much. The higher up the rider is the more G force wants to push you over the opposite way using your tyres as the fulcrum.


Simples.


Oh yeah, it looks fecking cool too and I hear the chicks dig it when you put your knee down.

Posted

Like others have said, shifting your weight helps turn the bike. The general idea to the weight shifting is to get into the bend but keep the bike stable and lean it over less. Sounds weird but the bike is safer the more upright it is, if you weren't to shift your body weight then the bike would have to shift which would equal less tyre on the black stuff and more chance of trashing it.


I do it from time to time, but never get the knee down on public roads.

Guest philgale
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its just your weight dragging the bike round the corner, meaning you can have a wider contact path from tyres to road meaning you have more grip so can go faster etc


as korben says, knee down is just a gauge of how far you have left to lean. i managed it at oulton park round old hall but still got no idea how to gauge it properly. few more track days and ill be sorted :cheers:


also as techno says, no point on the road, too many variables to push the bike to its limit that much.

Posted

thanks for all the replies.


I was playing with it a while ago but didnt notice much difference, I always felt when i tried to hang a bit I was going to slowly to make any real difference. I reckon the last 1000 or so miles ive done I have just stayed on the seat with knees in, not trying for the illusive knee down, I think i've been cornering quicker too, but that might just be more confidence with the dry weather and getting used to the bike more.

Posted
thanks for all the replies.


I was playing with it a while ago but didnt notice much difference, I always felt when i tried to hang a bit I was going to slowly to make any real difference. I reckon the last 1000 or so miles ive done I have just stayed on the seat with knees in, not trying for the illusive knee down, I think i've been cornering quicker too, but that might just be more confidence with the dry weather and getting used to the bike more.

 

Pretty much hit the nail on the head mate.


Once your speed gets up start trying it. I was 3000 miles into riding before I bothered with it, and another 1500 before I started to notice any difference.


Let it come naturally mate... You will know when you are ready.

Posted

that's how I feel now, let myself progress naturaly rather than try and push without any real idea of why I'm doing things. I went through a phase of trying to get the knee down but it wasn't going to happen.


I think it helped focusing on where I was going rather than what I was doing on the bike, on roads I haven't been on before, then when I've an idea of the appropriate corners to try the technique, I'll give it a go.

Posted

I have no inclination to get my knee down, dont actually think my legs would let me anyway!


But dont think am far away from scraping my pegs!

Posted

The other thing I was thinking about is say a peg or a knee went down I'd probably cr@p myself, I don't know what it feels like but I reckon if your not expecting it it's be scary!

Guest philgale
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you will just stand the bike up mate, but get yourself on a track day give it a few days and you will have it in no time. managed knee down on road once. did it properly on my 4th track day.


i always found it easier to get pegs down (gammy hip and all that) but its really scary when the pegs hits and lifts the back wheel which happened to me at mallory


honestly if you want to improve your riding do a track day. you can see round corners so can confidently go round faster, no traffic coming at you, no grips or pot holes to worry about etc etc

Guest philgale
Posted
So how many track bikes have you trashed Phil :lol:

 

none.....had a go at 2 tho :lol: second wasnt my fault, ill admit the first one round lodge tho was rather optimistic entry speed :lol:

Posted

Knee down..... hanging off?!.


I still keep on trying to stick my leg out & getting the foot down - not so good in 'normal' bike boots!

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Posted

so why the difference in cornering style on the super moto?? why not lean it in in the 'normal' way??

Posted

Think thats to do with the fact that they rear wheel steer a super moto. If you watch a gp bike slidin you will see the rider lean and counter steer like a super moto rider.

Posted
Think thats to do with the fact that they rear wheel steer a super moto. If you watch a gp bike slidin you will see the rider lean and counter steer like a super moto rider.

yep, bit like speedway, and supermotos cant get as low as a sports bike so its effective counter steering...


a bit like drifting a rear wheel drive car...

Posted

I've yet to see someone on a sports bike back into a corner like that! (apart from falling off). And

supermotos cant get as low as a sports bike
...


You are kidding right?!


http://www.davedragon.org/pink/lean-Angle.jpg


Supermotos corner way better than sportsbikes!

Posted
I've yet to see someone on a sports bike back into a corner like that! (apart from falling off). And
supermotos cant get as low as a sports bike
...


You are kidding right?!


http://www.davedragon.org/pink/lean-Angle.jpg


Supermotos corner way better than sportsbikes!

 

Bloody hell. Now that is impressive! 8-)

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