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There was a move in late 2023 from the Motor Cycle Industry Association to make it more progressive. Upgrades courses instead of serial testing and a single test. Of course, there has been an election since then so I bet the current Ministry of Transport hasn't heard of it or wouldn't do it on principle. It wouldn't have helped that they were pushing more motorbike use on environmental grounds!

Why did the big test/licence change of 2013 happen? Who actually decided what that change should be and why? Was it the DOT on a whim, or was there a committee on board like ROSPA and National Motorcyclist Council? The rules in most countries in the EU are similar but not the same, so there must have been choices. Its difficult to think that this was thought through. It didn't create more riders and it certainly didn't improve safety. I sure there are opinions and suppositions about it, but does anyone know the actual story? Were there minutes?

Currently 45p a mile for cars and only 24p per mile for Motorcycles. Aside for it having not been updated since 2013, who thinks that bikes get twice the mileage and half the servicing cost of cars. Who's in charge of that?

I bought a used bike from Manchester dealer a couple of years ago. By the time I got it to Hertfordshire the rear plate was gone. Must have forgotten to put the nuts on the screws.

"Press" is to press the bar - i.e. initiate counter steering. So; Slow (to the limit point) Look (into the turn) Press (to turn) Roll (on the throttle). IPSGA is not a cornering technique per-sé. You could use it at an junction. So the Police use it and IAM and RoSPA copy the Police. So back to the question. Even without arguing the pros and cons of how you get a motorcycle around a bend: Why only the Police?

Sorry if the 2 previous poster is underderstood me. I know what is written in the manual, but that not what gets taught and examined. Max legal speed possible at all times. I'm confident to hit bends at high speed, but am I demonstrating safety? A senior IAM examiner told me this week that I should be riding at 7-9000 RPM., using engine braking for adjustments of 10MPH and brakes for greater amounts. Sure, I push the boundaries all the time, but I don't kid myself that it's advanced.

Look for a you tube video on slow, look, press, and roll and you will be hard pressed to find one. Trail braking on the othe hand, is everywhere. CSS, Ryan F9. Motojitsu, MC rider and more..? Apparently Yamaha USA has some kind of deal where they teach new riders and they teach it. Its everywhere, but not the MSF or the UK Police. What's with that?

I've just done the Enhanced rider Scheme test. It's an actual safety based course. The examiner is also an IAM/ROSPA tester. While he said that I was "safe", he couldn't resist telling me that I was slowing down too much on some bends and speed limits. I would really like to see the ERS taught on group days rather than Bikesafe. Actual road time with a DVSA backed test that can get you an insurance discount!

Did it. Passed. Loads of feed back too. Not all of it enjoyable but in the context of "advanced", all good. I think there aught to be more courses that go beyond DVSA but not "delivering a kidney" elitist like IAM. Preferably a day course like bikesafe but with on the bike training rather than just an observed ride. A couple of years ago I did a California Superbike school "corning confidence" day and got around their car park course quite quick, but it caries no weight on the road.

Actually, that is EXACTLY what they require. You are encouraged travel at (but never above) the speed limit because (its advanced). Slowing down too much at bends is a weakness as is 65 on a motorway and will get you marked down on their test. Also runing in an economical gear is discouraged since you wont be able to accelerate fast of engine brake. Honestly, I don't know what IAM/ROSPA is for. They're not safety courses. They are high speed risk reduction courses.

Thanks everyone. I acknowledge the benefits of additional training, but I was asking specificly about the Enhanced scheme. £70, a certificate approved by the DVSA and you get to tick the additional qualifications box at insurance time. Only on person here did it?

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This is really interesting. So far: only 2 riders have been hit by cars - apart from the *FIVE* hit while stationary. There are lessons to be learned! I wonder if you are either high mileage riders or just occasional. What I could have done is divide the total miles ridden by the number of crashed but that would have got complicated and who tracks that? More result required. 4 years and 45000 miles btw.

Static don't count. There is literally nothing you can do...... other than run the pedestrians down. Your choice! Edit:- since there are at least 3 of us, I added the option.