Oh well thats that finished ( Aussie MotoGP Spoiler)

[DutchMick]

Bloody hell, first corner!!

Rossi will wrap it up in Sepang next week.

I think Stoner is the best bet for the championship next season, he looked awesome today, nice bit of sliding too.

[awwwnuts]

You might just be right there Mick.

You have to admire Stoner and the way he rides that bike. Looking how he drifts that bike is nothing short of spectacular.

I'm just dissapointed that its still the same old story to the racing, Dorna really needs to do something to make it closer racing, with teams finding finance hard to come by i can only see this getting worse.

[techno]

Would have been a different story this year had stoner been fit!!

We all like close racing but tbh that aint gonna happen it will always be the haves and the have nots!

If you want big battles watch the 125's!

And its only the tv audience that benefit but wile ever there is battles through the field even if theres only 2 out front it can still be a great race just look at laguna last year and catalunya this!!

[awwwnuts]

One race out of 17 is not good racing however you look at it. this is the premier class, but is being outshone by WSBK. Were it not for Rossi, Stoner would have won by a margin of nearly 27 seconds, and third a further 10 seconds back at 32.

Yes we do have good races at times with two riders, but the trouble is. when the race is so far spread out the other teams are not getting TV coverage, and that's what the sonsors want. BSB is a prime example were even a class winning team like GSE is struggling to find a major sponsor.

Moto GP is struggling to fill the grid, with the demise of Kawasaki, and a rumour I heard recently that Suzuki are also looking to jump ship. Dorna really need to do something to turn this around. The soloution could be the same as Evo in BSB, less technology resulting in closer racing.

Yes 125's are good I've been watching them for nearly 40 years.

[techno]

Were it not for Rossi, Stoner would have won by a margin of nearly 27 seconds, and third a further 10 seconds back at 32.

And if it were not for them there would have been a great battle and edwards would have won...thing is they Rossi was there!

Less technology, its the premier class they thought the 1 tyre rule would make it closer see how that worked the fact is Rossi and stoner pedrosa and lorenzo are better than the rest so its maybe not so much the bikes as the riders..some of which are second rate..hayden stil gets a factory ducati cos he's american elias.....done nowt.....edwards yeah best satallite rider won nothing....canepa I mean wtf test rider....talmasci buys a ride....if the teams want sponsorship get better riders develop better bikes!

I dont mind races as long as theres some battle up front and the rest of the field will entertain the live spectators!

Oh and some of the wsbk races have sucked as well!

[awwwnuts]

So that means a grid of 4 riders, and no point in satellite teams.

Regarding technology this is already in place. from 2010 there will be no ceramic brakes and no launch control. the next step will be a spec ECU, this is as to come into effect or there will be no point in banning launch control.

(Quote from the racing press) However the ban on launch control works out, there is every reason to fear that the ban on electronics will be instigated anyway. It will be instituted for reasons of cost, and will unleash either an orgy of spending in an attempt to bypass the ban while staying inside the letter of the law, or else precipitate the withdrawal of yet more manufacturers, as the value they see in MotoGP as an R&D platform is reduced considerably. Suddenly, taking part in MotoGP becomes nothing more than a marketing exercise, and a way of boosting a manufacturer's image.

The problem here, of course, is that a race only has one winner. Of the four manufacturers in MotoGP, three are destined not to have a MotoGP champion, leaving those three to question the value of their MotoGP program. If you're using MotoGP to promote your brand as a high-performance product, and you get your behind kicked by your competitors, then why continue to throw good money after bad? Why not, like Kawasaki, pull out and find another way to promote your brand.

All riders are expected to bring some form of financial backing to the team,. So Talmacsi's case is not unusual, and is why many of the riders have the rides to start with. Niccolo Canepa got the ride because he helped develop the bike and on a back to back ride with Stoner on test was only 1.7 seconds off the pace. After failing to find anyone else who could ride the bike, he appeared the best option. Unfortunately is race craft doesn't seem to be a strong point. Edwards top satellite rider, and beating a factory Repsol rider, there is no doubt he deserves that ride, if not a full factory ride.

Yes there have been a few poor races in WSBK, but if you love close hard racing that's the one to watch. Even Rossi states that!

[techno]

So that means a grid of 4 riders, and no point in satellite teams.

 

Thats not exactly what I said, From a viewing point of view if your trhere it doesnt matter whos in the lead etc, its only tv viewers that view it as a boring race and from that point of view the tv directors pic the feed pictures nopt dorna, so if theres battles down the field why not concentrate on that as sometimes happens if theres a run away leader you hardly see them so the sponsers do get coverage.

As for possible winners how many have won wsbk races this seaon, who knew who would be the championship leaders before the season started not a huge shock is it?

If its close racing you want which we do then the top classes isnt where its at unfortunatly what you get or should get is the best riders racing the track!

As for people showcasing there products motogp is not somewhere you would look people wil stil by suzukis, hondas, yamahas, dukes etc regardless of there motogp performance surely as kawasaki arnt there next year doesnt mean no one will buy one!

Fact is they have to bring costs down to stop manufacturers leaving aand still be faster than wsbk!

What would uyou suggest they do to make the racing closer?

[awwwnuts]

Electronics, get rid of them. Your right this is the premier class, so lets see what the rider can do. lets see that back wheel spinning up, and let it be controlled by the right hand not some micro chip.

I'm not sure about the tyre rule. When was the last time we saw a race being lost because the rider had fooked the tyres. I don't know if this as come about from the tyre rule or the electronics stopping this happening, but it was all part of racing and the riders ability, and could make or break a race.

Yes people will still buy the products, but that doesn't help racing. You need bikes on the grid, and that means manufacturers. Times are hard and Honda are not happy having to supply so many bikes. If Suzuki goes that leaves an even smaller grid. Who will make the numbers up?

Kawasaki is concentrating on WSBK. That's the bike you yourself can buy. If suddenly Kawasaki start running at the front, and winning championships. Are the remaining manufacturers going to say hang on why spend millions on a prototype when we can save money and up sales by just concentrating on WSBK. I personally would hate this.

This might be controversial but maybe Dorna should look at what makes 125's so good, wouldn't we all like to see 5 or 6 guys swapping places on nearly every corner.

I don't have the answer, but in these credit strapped times, somebody better!

Brilliant debate by the way

[techno]

The only trouble is with banning electronics (which I would like to see) is even world supers have traction control and isnt it hard to police unless maybe standard ecu's??

Your right that dorna have to stop the grids getting smaller, while keeping the spectacle its a fine balancing act but am sure honda make money out of leasing bikes ootherwise they wouldnt do it.

The one make tyre rule shouldnt have happened but that was manufacturer driven I think more than anything as they all saw bridgestones as better and wanted them, but as with the capacity drop it hasnt worked!

[awwwnuts]

How's this for controversial.

WSBK becomes the new GP, but with full development allowed. This would then realistically feed back down to the bikes we ourselves ride. Superstock becomes WSBK with the same spec bikes as currently used in Superstock. Superstock becomes just stock. Our bikes straight from the crate being raced against each other.

I know fantasy, but would save them a hell of a lot of money.

[techno]

Yeah nice idea , thing is same probs would eventually crop up again!

There is no real solution with a prototype class, the more restrictions the less it is a prototype and as such the class will die!

They need to suss out what made it great in the past perhaps and at least try to emulate it somehow, but cheaply!

Will be interesting to see what moto2 throws up next year!!

[Netmeister]

Will be interesting to see what moto2 throws up next year!!

 

Can't wait for this! Shame Crutchlow won't be on one though

[Guest akey]

How's this for controversial.

WSBK becomes the new GP, but with full development allowed. This would then realistically feed back down to the bikes we ourselves ride. Superstock becomes WSBK with the same spec bikes as currently used in Superstock. Superstock becomes just stock. Our bikes straight from the crate being raced against each other.

I know fantasy, but would save them a hell of a lot of money.

 

Erm because that wouldnt be prototype racing!

MotoGP is a prototype race class, with no relation to homolgated bikes whatsoever, WSBK is a production based race series with development allowed, but restrictions on certain items.

If you want close racing then go to a club meeting, or watch the 125s, as soon as you get big money and development then the closeness of the racing can tend to reduce.

Its also worth discussing what do you class as close racing, Rossi was within .7 of a sec of stoner for the whole race, in anyones book that is close, or do you want more overtaking? I certainly would not class this season of motoGP as being dull, granted its not as thrilling to watch as some decent club racing or even some of the 125 races but then thats racing some races are absolute blinders and others just dont deliver the drama expected, no amount of rule changin or bike type changing is going to alter that.

My view is that the current set up is pretty good, there are 3 classes fo prototype racing (single seat car type) and weveral classes and champs of production bike racing (Touring car type). All of these calsses deliver pretty good viewing both armchair and trackside.

[awwwnuts]

Erm that's why I said fantasy!

Agree with you Techno, Moto2 will be very interesting next year, and gutted Crutchlow won't be in it, I reckon he might have done well there.

[techno]

I was really hoping he would goto moto2 may just be another face in wsbk, but doing well in moto2 in that paddock would have put his face and name in alot of the right places!

That and he's damn quick on a 600!

[Netmeister]

Maybe 2011?

Johnny Rea went from BSB to WSS, then moved up to WSB. Crutchlow could do the same but over to Moto2 then up to MotoGP

Am I dreaming?

[techno]

Should have by passed wsbk!

[Netmeister]

....and collected £200.....buddum bum tish!

Agreed. Surely he must have seen moto2 as the best way to the top class, because thats where everyone wants to go don't they? Unless he wanted to stay with yamaha because they're a good - winning - team and hope for a draft to MotoGP when Edwards gives it up.

[awwwnuts]

It's curious, you thought an offer from a top team in a new series, would have been a dream come true. You can only assume Yamaha have put something together that was a deal clincher, and you have to think a championship win and you can move up to Tech3. I think the Moto2 route would have been better though, at least he would have learnt the tracks.

Ah well will just have to shout for Scott Redding