Mod 2, by reading and watching YouTube videos,possible?

[donhuzayfa]

So as you may know, got past mod 1, no instructor, now I'm thinking of taking mod 2 the same way, it'd be great to say that I did the whole motorbike thing without an instructor!!

It's just that there's a whole load of anomalies in mod 2, anything could happen, whereas mod 1 you know the drill...

[Bogof]

So as you may know, got past mod 1, no instructor, now I'm thinking of taking mod 2 the same way, it'd be great to say that I did the whole motorbike thing without an instructor!!

It's just that there's a whole load of anomalies in mod 2, anything could happen, whereas mod 1 you know the drill...

 

Mod 2 is a rideout, with a satnag in your ear. It really is that simple.

All you need to do is demonstrate that you are a confident rider and don't pose a risk to yourself or other road users.

Passing the test without training is easy. Staying safe and alive on the roads without training after you pass is tougher. 10% of newly qualified riders get killed or seriously injured in their first year. Training significantly improves those odds.

[Guest]

So as you may know, got past mod 1, no instructor, now I'm thinking of taking mod 2 the same way, it'd be great to say that I did the whole motorbike thing without an instructor!!

It's just that there's a whole load of anomalies in mod 2, anything could happen, whereas mod 1 you know the drill...

 

Mod 2 is a rideout, with a satnag in your ear. It really is that simple.

All you need to do is demonstrate that you are a confident rider and don't pose a risk to yourself or other road users.

Passing the test without training is easy. Staying safe and alive on the roads without training after you pass is tougher. 10% of newly qualified riders get killed or seriously injured in their first year. Training significantly improves those odds.

 

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Hi donhuzayfa First off I have to say everything I say is simply my belief and understanding but passing your mod 1 and 2 via you tube and blogs is very obtainable to lots of people. I believe the key is time on the bike I commute to work on my Honda 125 CBF ever since I completed my cbt in May. I have used you tube and online blogs to pass my mod 1 and last week my mod 2 all at the first go.

For me it was a straight forward decision – The main driver (excuse the pun) was to reduce my motoring costs I get on average 125 mpg out of my cbf this saves me around £200 per month I still have my car but haven’t needed to use it once since May.

I feel very confident on my bike and overtake / filter with confidence so I say give it a go- Even if I had passed via direct access I wouldn’t be getting a bigger bike as I have said MPG is the main reason for getting out of the cage!

I bought the cbf brand new and it his just about to have its 2500 mile service when I went in to book it the salesman at the garage said he would make me an offer I couldn’t refuse when I take it up for a service on a new 250 cbf (it will have to be a very good offer to make me think about it after returning 0ver 125 mpg on my little girl!)

My point is if you don’t need a +32bhp bike then you can do it yourself as long as you can get enough practice.

Bogof makes a good point about accidents and he is a very regular poster but statistics is my game and those figures don’t add up I’m afraid:

if you take young riders only allowed on 50 cc bikes out of the equation then the figures are dramatically different (even with them in 10% death or serious injury Is not accurate.) ages 16 –20 is the huge spike in the accident rate Statistically the very young on 50cc bikes and the older rider on over 600 cc bikes are the two highest categories ( in percentage terms to the overall age of riders v accidents v number of bikes).

I went to my local testing station to watch mod 1’s (great way to prepare) I saw guys turning up who could hardly handle the 500 cc bikes they were riding I watched loads fail and saw them again 4 days later sometimes passing – I never saw any taking their mod 2 but a fair assumption is that some of them who wobbled around the mod 1 passed their tests days later because of their intensive training I am confident my 2000 miles I gained riding daily makes me better prepared riding a 33 bhp bike that them in their first few thousand miles?

Of course individual situations change everything but I am just talking generally

I learnt a lot on my CBT and that stayed with me through all my riding up to and into my mod 2 – the guy who was taking his cbt with me fell of twice in the car park and went home to think about whether he wanted to complete the CBT and the Direct Assess he was booked in on - he came back two weeks later he hasn’t taken hi mod 2 yet but he has texted me to day he hopes to do it next week when he is sure it is dry as he can not ride in the wet at all.

So after a long couple of lines DON go for it I am spending some of the money I saved by not having lessons to pass the test on some advance rider lessons. ( and some great articles in Ride magazine about cornering)

Good Luck

Pat

[Bogof]

Bogof makes a good point about accidents and he is a very regular poster but statistics is my game and those figures don’t add up I’m afraid:Pat

 

I often wish they didn't too, but I can substantiate the claim.

It's taken originally from the DfT Annual Accident Statistics document (I think) but the 10% figure is used extensively by the DSA, emergency services and others in literature aimed at the training and accident prevention markets primarily. If you can't find it let me know and I'll track back to the original source document.

[Guest]

Hi we’re probably saying pretty much the same thing - The devil is in the detail over the number of Deaths and severity of accidents that new riders experience. My point is the 10%you quote are greatly represented by younger riders on scooters and mopeds also underage no licensed riders (a statically significant number)

“*Accident liability rises less than proportionately with mileage, and falls rapidly with increasing age, but to a lesser extent with experience. Moped and scooter riders have the highest accident rate and tend to be ridden by the least experienced riders in some of the densest traffic. Accident liability was not clearly linked to engine size other than that younger riders on smaller machines are over-represented.”

There are many other documents on the link/site that may be of interest to you. Including a spike in the numbers of deaths of riders in their first year on a 500+ cc motor bike who would have completed a direct access course of some description.

So my point is training for passing your test is one element. learning to ride your crotch rocket can be another. Obviously if you get both at the same time that’s the best scenario I totally agree with your statement “10% of newly qualified riders get killed or seriously injured in their first year. Training significantly improves those odds.

But I do not agree that the training has to be a direct access to a larger bike. post pass training defensive riding / advanced riding / police bike safe will contribute to reduce this. I will still be hundreds of pounds in credit in terms of having put my self through the test element of riding and entering onto one or two of the courses above – I may keep my 125 cbf but I think the lure of the 250 may become too strong then in two years with probably something a lot more fun!

Reference -* Multivariate Analysis of Motorcyclist's Accident Risk Factors Dft paper

http://www.dft.gov.uk/rmd/project.asp?intProjectID=10086

Slightly older but very interesting again some good points on older riders coming back to riding :

mile-muncher.co.uk/dft_rdsafety_035422.pdf