http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w52 ... 6d6155.jpg Finally got it out against all odds. Thanks for all the advice everyone and appolgies if I come across stupid but theres always something you've never done and this was one of them. Prior to this I've done s full service, wheel bearings, , regulator/ rectifier new battery, new caliper, fitted new brake pads, stripped and fitted master cylinder kit after the garage forgot to put a return spring on my lever! Ive had to learn from the haynes manual as I go. Most of this if not all im sure is very basic but I got to start somewhere. Ive done ok until this. At least its done im just scared now of over tightening the new bolt as yes you guessed it I dont have a torque wrench! Again thanks everyone this forums been very helpful and patient!