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  1. My only thing is now do I tighten bolt side or nut side in the sense I secure the nut with a spanner and tighten the other/bolt side with my wrench..? 

     

    Cherrs guys I know its probably a pain for such a simple question because you all know now. 

  2. 10 hours ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

    Type "Motorcycle Maintenance manual" into Google. There are several publications available.

     

     

    Cherrs thats awesome.. Way over my head at my current level no torque settings in it maybe I misses it its 670 pages and from 2004.

     

    Seesm like it an full assembly manual. 

     

    I was looking at a few oline myself but lucky the 2019 owners manual has it in 88nm. 

     

     

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  3. 10 hours ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

    Type "Motorcycle Maintenance manual" into Google. There are several publications available.

     

     

     

    I will have a look but surely thats the first thing I did and it just kept coming up with Haynes honda cb125f up to 2017 model so... 

     

    But like I said I've found the torque I was just wondering if there was any other mag that does the same as Haynes 

  4. 6 hours ago, billy sugger said:

    There is a YouTube video showing how to move chain, etc for a 2021 model

    What the one I added futher up... Yeah but he got the torque wrong thats what brought me here he says tighten to 54nm when it is in fact 88nm

  5. 8 hours ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

    I think we could write an alternative to the Haynes manual.....

     

    A possible title might be....Skidmarks and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. 

     

    Hayness was my first thought but like most print they are almost dead and have moved all online and haven't got the honda cb125f 2021 revamp model it only goes up to 2017.

     

    But I would think it would be fair to assume torque specs haven't changed and it will still be worth a read as a bike is a bike even if things are a little different like for example the drain bolt for the oil was right underneath now its opposite side vertically. 

     

    Is hayness the only guys that print stuff like that...? 

  6. I get it guys lol... I'm being a nerd but seeing as I habe a torque wrench I might as well do it right. 

     

    Also I'm sure they mark these specs for a reason... But failed to publish them. 

     

    I guess the whole concept of Newton meters doesn't matter at all lol.

     

    But yeah I get the general censors 

     

    This is a reply to all that have commented since my last one um also no no where near Cheshire. 

     

    Nearest garage is a Honda dealer and I very much doubt they will let me in the garage to work lol. 

     

    But I don't need a garage its just adjust the nuts a few turns to bring my slack back to under 1 Inch. 

     

    But thanks like I said I found the page from a 2019 manual its 88nm this is completely gone in my 2020 versions which is off putting tbh

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  7. 46 minutes ago, billy sugger said:

    Hi yeah I've seen that its the 2019 manual that actually has it in says 88nm also has how to adjust it but my manuals doesn't why I dunno all pervious manuals has at least some torque specs. 

     

    It my understanding that it very important as it how much force the fitting can take. Or is it not as important as that surely they have to make a owner aware of such stuff out of liability reason and just good safety you don't want to tight it 2 tight and for it 2 say burn up ans snap or tighten it 2 lose and it fall out if it did and they hadn't published the newton meter spec thats gotta be on them

     

     

    Rang honda girl didn't know rang dealership who said that its in with the services but its not down till 12.000 miles and seeing as it has slack at 16.000 It couldn't of been looked at my 600 miles. 

     

    This isn't a services thing is it? More a general maintenance thing like changing the oil I know thats 30nm they guy was like they wouldn't tell you that why wouldn't they. 

     

    If I needed the engine striped Id take it 2 them I'm not going to pay £40 for an oil change which literally takes just a unscrewing a bolts new stup washer and maybe filter and o ring. 

     

    Same goes for a bike adjustment that I might need to do every 1000 miless or so as roads aren't great and ita harsh weather. 

     

    Next they want me to take it to a dealership just for a chain clean and lube. 

     

    If it serious stuff you bet the dealerships it goes but some things are obviously just a money grab so we will see what they say if they ring back 

  8. 5 hours ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

    I take the point, but there have been many times when people asking questions about a specific bike have been advised to look on a forum dedicated to that particular machine.

     

    I am a member of a Triumph forum as well as here. Members there how each other out as we know our bikes and have often had to find the same answers before.

     

    As I said, there are several maintenance manuals the OP can buy which will assist them with aspects of maintenance that are common to many bikes. They just then somewhere where model specific details can be found. 

     

     

    Where are these maintenance manuals for my model.. Yeah i know a bike is a bike so most the big stuff stays the same but like I've said I have to reduce the chain slack and no one seems to knwo the  torque spec's that all. 

  9. I found a chart that has a list for the swing arm pivot at nm. 

     

    As I'm not taking the well off is it different torque for different sides or as it is all one bolts and nut but you obviously got the head of the bold which he said was 54nm so am I correct in the thinking the real axel nut refers to the nut the other side. 

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  10. I found a 2012 manual that list it at 113nm.. 

     

    The nearest manual that evem mentions torque specs is the 2019 honda cb125f one. 

     

    Surrey they should just publish sucj things right...?  

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  11. Hi guys so my chain needs to be adjusted my bike is an Honda CB125F 2021 model year  brought and made  2022

     

    Thing is my manual has be down grounded so much in fact it doesn't even have a section where it tells you how to do it. 

     

    anyway I know how to do it but my issue is torque specs I saw some guy online aka YouTube seemed he uploaded a yeah ago he say the back wheel nut is 54 nm but I've found a manual for the 2019 Cb125f that says its 88 nm I think the guy in the video got confused between the rear engine  rear axel nut which I assume axel refers to the wheel nut and he just found the first pic online let me know. 

     

    First pics inwhich I think he is referring to as his reference 54 nm but it says rear engine mounting nuts I assume this isn't the wheel nut or is it...? 

     

    In the 2019 manual it says in it very good and detailed manual why they messed with it god knows as they can get people hurt not telling them this stuff anyway it clearly says 88 nm

     

    He seems to know his stuff so anyway the video is here also incase you wish to see just skip to when he get to the chain. 

     

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  12. 1 minute ago, Ian Frog said:

     @Riley Sorry only just seen this thread.

    I believe Haynes still do a basic motorcycle maintenance book which might give you a helpful starting point.

    If you are really keen a lot of colleges and adult learning centres do basic maintenance classes which I have been told are very good for building confidence and understanding especially for people who learn best by having explanation and hands on demos.

    Whichever route works for you good luck.

    Cheers

    Ian

    Now worries yeah asked them they only go up to cb125f 2017 it was just a torque specifications query but since found out my manual compared to many other older ones is missing so much by comparison why I dunno. 

     

    Cherrs tho 

     

    P. S Ian you could help answer a pervious question that got lost in conversation the bike slack I measure both ways right up and down. 

     

    Also do I clean the sprockets if so also the front bike is on 16.000 miles thhe chain defo needs adjustments as I think it was 3 inches of slack this morning so not good. 

  13. 4 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

     

    I don't get this. we have a new member joining the forum and getting some help.. and the suggestion is toddle off to another forum.

    The CBF125 is one of the most popular 125s of recent years... are there no members on this forum who have ever owned one?

    Ive never owned one.. Ive never owned a 125. and yet it was easy enough for me to find answers.

    but.. and this seems to happen a lot, the suggestion - go somewhere else.

     

    I wonder about this forum sometimes. I really do.

     

    Thats just a general observation. not a dig at you.  But.. now the thread has been sidetracked. so Ive said my piece and will not return to it again.

    Its all good I can learn from many sources and I've learnt alot from you guys so thanks 

  14. 8 minutes ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

    There are several generic maintenance books for motorcycles. Whilst they won't have all the torque settings they will cover the vast majority of routine tasks needed to keep bike running well.

     

    Just use Google and you'll find several options.

     

    Join an owner's forum and there will be folk on there who can answer specific questions. 

     

    5 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

    it tells you what year it is for.

     

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    If the manual was copyrighted in 2016, then that means its valid for bikes from that year or 2017.  new models tend to appear at the end of the year from Honda. And the manual will remain in force until the bike is updated to the point that things change.. with modern small capacity bikes that's nearly always (mostly) on the electronic side.. though they can take it further.

    Yeah I'm just so surprised that mine is missing so much like how to pull back the whell to tighten slack why would they miss that out just find it very strange. 

     

    Yean I missed that also you did say 2016 seems they wanted to tell you how to fix things then aren't you guys surprised by how much is missing from my versions. 

     

    What a cb125f owner fourm do they do that? 

  15. 17 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

    because they want you to use the dealer for everything.

     

    my dealer will happily adjust my chain if I ask them... they will also clean and oil it for me too.. and then charge me £37

     

    I didn't ask them how much it cost, they told me... because they half expected me to need them to do it. this was back in early 2019 and I asked them for a quote for new tyres supplied and fitted. They assumed I would want the chain looked at too, at the same time.  its actually not needed any adjustment since its first 600 mile service, and the cleaning/lube stuff I bought back then (costing £20) will probably last me another 10 years.

    I know it said special tools what a spanner and socket wrench or torque wrench. 

     

    But then I woukd have no idea why my back brake had more  slack. 

     

    As the is no page about it in my manual also say the crank breather it mentions it breathy but doesn't say anything else where it is or what I need to do. 

     

    Same with the battery says I should rub of the connectors but then doesn't tell me how to take the battery out like yours lol

     

    Why is my manual missing so much yours even tells you how to change a whell can I ask how and where did you find it. 

     

    I have to have mine serviced for the warranty which I've even extended another year just incase I'm prone to bad luck so I have to cover my ass.

     

    Yeah i get it alot of people don't care for me its not about the money but more I like bikes I want to know how mine works why it works and how to fix things whether that actually happens we will see will defo be alot harder if they don't publish stuff I can read and learn from. 

     

    Did you just find that as a google search be interesting to see for what year it was for. 

     

    My fault does say a few bits about the battery but as you can see so much is missing surely other people print and publish service manuals and repair manuals or is Haynes the only one. 

     

    Did you say African twin I swear i read that they are putting a front facing camera onto the next revamp. 

     

    You mentioned your have a torque specs page i have one 2 with just 2 specs for like the most unneeded specs light screws and licence plates screws. 

     

    As for say the crankcase breather says if i ride alot to check and that it doesn't say how or where it is and I use my bike to commute so yeah she gets used alot. 

     

     

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  16. 14 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

    you have the manual (it came from Honda).. and I checked, its for UK/EU bikes... as that's the only code they add.  its for an earlier bike. it was copyrighted in 2016 so is out of date. But, as I said.. I wouldn't worry too much about major differences. Even if the engine is redesigned the torque values won't change much if at all.

     

    A lot of people don't bother with torque values at all and just go by 'feel'. you'll find that one of the most controversial questions you can ever ask is "what torque wrench should I buy?" as a lot of answers will be NONE. followed by a load of ridiculous reasons.

    Gerontious if you look at the other messages you will see like I said my book is missing so bloody much I have no page about how to adjust the slack aka move rhe whell back. 

     

    Nothing about that at all then this might effect my back break free play which also which I obviously haven't been advised if you hadn't provided your link to that digital manual I woukd of known as I'm going to adjust the chain as its out. 

     

    Why is mine missing so much importance content i have a page that advised me to inspect the free play of the back break thats it. 

     

    Mine vs yours 

     

    Your manual or the one found online has so much more details and mine like I said is missing huge sections it seems I  have no section what so ever on how to adjust the chaim for slack. 

     

    Just how to inspect it seems they habe either made a massive error during print or they are Purposely leaving stuff out so people become more reliant on the dealership. 

     

    The last photo the first 2 are yours the last ONE is all I have about the drive chain this is the entire section about drive chain and no page on how to adjust it it even says in yours that it requires special tools so take tp your dealer but they don't ask for it to be inspected till 12.000 miles and mine is already slack I'm pretty sure. 

     

    Can you confirm that I measure both ways up and down downwards it didn't budge but when I pushed it up I think it was like 3 inches from where it sits aka resting position so this needa to be corrected... Right..? 

     

     

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  17. 2 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

    in my own owners manual for my 2018 Honda Africa Twin, it gives torque values at the very back.. its actually at the very end of the specifications section. and they only give 9. and these are the most basic possible. allowing for an oil and filters change (my bike has two oil filters). chain adjust and front wheel removal. and that's it. Anything else I have to refer to the Haynes.

     

    Black dipsticks are standard. though sight glasses are becoming fairly common on larger bikes. where you just put the bike upright and look at the oil level in the sight glass and ensure its between the markers. simple. My own bike has a black dipstick. (thanks Honda).. but you would be amazed how many people underfill the oil simply because they couldn't be bothered to read the manual. In fact it never ceases to amaze me just how many people ask questions about their brand new bike. questions that are answered in the owners manual.

     

    Only a week or so ago a fella complains about a horrible noise and some bright spark asked him to test the chain slack. it moved 5".  it should be max 2.2.  He said... "who reads the owners manual?"

     

    seriously.

     

    And this for a bike that cost him circa £16,000. its only money. its only his life at stake.

    Oil was done hopefully at the 600 miles service but I have checked its in the line. 

     

    Some stuff is it in but some stuff isn't as show yeah spoke to them they don't have a manual for my model yet. 

     

    Literally my owners manual is missing huge sections that weird I checked my chain this morning it definitely needs to be adjusted. 

     

    I have no idea why they have missed so much out on my manual below is the only specs for torque I have i obviously looked at my book first befoe I came and asked hers I'm not that lazy amd definitely the chain needs to be looked after everything does but thats just me. 

     

     

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  18. 3 hours ago, Gerontious said:

    I am looking at the manual now.. and the torque for the drain bolt is 30Nm its on page 60.

     

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    Of course the manual im looking at might be different to yours, but it seems highly unlikely to me that (engine and chassis) basics like these would change much over the life of a machine like the CBF125..  manual is here.  https://2rom-prd-data.hondamotopub.com/om/HMEE/CB125F/2017-2018-2019/CB125F_32KPNB11_0.pdf

     

     

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    Gerontious where did you find that manual as mine is missing so bloody much. 

     

    For example your manual shows how to adjust the chain for slack. 

     

    Which after checking this morning is somthing I need to do when I get a dry sunny day. 

     

    Screenshot below of your manual beautifully detailed and has torque 

     

    Then mine i have one page which is 70 and says nothing about how to adjust slack at all showing the pages before and after in my book

     

     

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  19. 33 minutes ago, Davidtav said:

    I agree it is probably an issue with the bike. … however have you tried riding with different boots?  I have a few pairs of boots. And I definitely find gear selection easier in one particular pair. 

    Thats weird you say that but yeah I thought of that a while back I've got multiple boots and have worn both on her.

     

    I just want to be 100% its a real issue as it only happens now and the and I can control it to fix it. 

     

    You guys all seem pretty sure there is an issue here it seems tho

     

    Maybe I'm not pushing hard enough on the peg. 

     

    I have attached another video here. 

     

     

     

    Again below is one of the first ones I sent to the guy I got it off think I was 33 miles in at this point video below. 

     

     

     

    Ignore the link or whatever that is below this sentence as I can't get rid of it. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

  20. 2 hours ago, Gerontious said:

    I am looking at the manual now.. and the torque for the drain bolt is 30Nm its on page 60.

     

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    Of course the manual im looking at might be different to yours, but it seems highly unlikely to me that (engine and chassis) basics like these would change much over the life of a machine like the CBF125..  manual is here.  https://2rom-prd-data.hondamotopub.com/om/HMEE/CB125F/2017-2018-2019/CB125F_32KPNB11_0.pdf

     

     

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    Wow thats freaking strange as I have an owners manual and it doesn't have anything like that on my your is page 60 mine is page 62 - 63 and doesn't even mention torque I assumed the online versions would just be the same but hence why I didn't look but thankfully you did. 

     

    Seems they have massively downgraded the manual which is a crime lol 

     

    Also the drain bolt on the new 2021 model is not underneath it vertical across. 

     

    I got in touch with Haynes is it they don't have a manual for it yet as honda did a massive overall of the engine they said. 

     

    But I think it would be safe to say the Newton force would be the same why they haven't added this info in the new manual is a shame 

     

    Also am I the only one who thinks black has to be like the worst colour to make a dip stick lol 

     

     

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  21. 4 hours ago, Stu said:

    First of all forget the gear indicator! Don't even bring it in to conversion as they aren't reliable enough to say your in gear or not. 

     

    The video showing you accelerating then the bike coming out of gear while still accelerating is more than enough evidence to say is jumping out of gear. 

     

    Once you are in gear it should not be jumping out and as for wearing in that's just utter bollox and a cop out from the dealer 

    You on about the one as i take the corner yeah was in 1st went into 2nd the it said no and switched me back into neutral I've got a few more I'll add them in a bit i just don't want to go to the guys and there be nothing wrong looking like a fool amd wasting peoples time. 

     

    But I'm also am adult and know that I can't know somthing new till I've learnt it and at some point they new nothing about bike 2 dam those big ass desk it surrounded by all them sweet spanking knew bikes  abit intimating lol

  22. Okay.. Well its been going on since the start and I have emails as records to the dealership I brought it from so there is that that stuff goes way back to 15 miles. 

     

    This reply is 2 all you guys they said they was stock issues so my local dealer was quoting like 6 months so the one I got it from is 100miles away from my local dealer as the other guy could get me it quicker and I was inpatient 

     

    Anyway so they would be probably a massive wait for a whole replacement bike and I'm sure honda wouldn't be happy about that and tbh me neither as I like my bike.. I know fatboy don't say that. But its just 2 late I've grown attached to an inanimate object lol. 

     

    And like you say its honda so it just my luck i get the one in like a million with an issue

     

    Plus the waste to materials and everyone time and the bottom line of the dealership etc. 

     

    Also I really need to make sure it not my fault as for the video I think i switched from 5 to 4 th then back as I wasn't sure the speed limit was on the bloody road as somtimes there are no freaking signs then it just wouldn't register. 

     

    But its has definitely been in gear and just jumped. if I was a more experienced driver I guess I wouldn't be doubting myself so much and others i guess

     

    it did have a services and they said it was fine wouldn't they pick up on this during the service 

     

    You all say metal doesn't need to work in so I thought that was a tad odd but it does make sense as it how metal works but then why don't I hear loads of cars cracking the gear shifts for the first 2 months 

     

    Being so new I'm obviously overly reliant on others and that isn't good at all. 

  23. 2 hours ago, fastbob said:

    Metal working in ? Typical dealer bullshit ! They want you to keep the bike and they want to keep the money in the till . I'll say it again . It's a faulty consumer product and it should be replaced with another one that is fit for purpose . You don't want anyone splitting the crankcase and f**king around with it . You want a new one that works . If you bought a washing machine from Currys and it didn't work , would they ask you to take it back so they could have a fiddle with it ? No , they would take the old one away and give you a replacement . Sorry to be so direct about this but it infuriates me when the bike trade treats people , especially newcomers , in a different manner to other consumers . 

    So its not normal for the metal components for the gears needing some time to work in I guess. 

     

    It doesn't happen all the time as for what they do fix it or replace thats up to honda I guess as its under their warranty I just need to make sure its a machinery fault and just not me so I don't waste peoples time. 

  24. 6 minutes ago, fastbob said:

    Same story we've had on here a dozen times . Accept no bullshit from the dealership whatsoever . It is a faulty consumer product and that's the end of the discussion . Do not even refer to it as your bike . It is a bike . Take it back and state that you want a refund or a replacement and let them fix this one in their time and not yours . End of . 

    Hi well my local dealership is different from the one I got it from. 

     

     

    Its under warranty not even over a month old yet so what about the metal needing time to work in? This makes sense but I know nothing about bikes really yet so solely reliant on others and I have no knowledge myself to gauge it against not yet so..? 

     

    Don't know if what I'm being told is legit or not. 

     

    I have messaged my local dealer but it was late Saturday its been seen but by whom I don't know. there are closed Sundays so should hear back today I took it there for my 600 service they said everything was fine I mentioned the gear issue also to the guy who signed my book etc. 

     

    So will see either way it should get sorted if I have any issues I'll just go to honda directly can't I..? 

  25. 9 hours ago, Stu said:

    That looks to me as though its jumping out of gear! which is shouldn't be doing 

    Thats what it feels like as I know I've clicked in and the other day seemed to confirm it as i was no were near the gear stick/peg and for a few seconds it went from said I was in no gear I think to saying it was in no gear I asked the dealership I brought it off and he said it just needs time to work in but it keeps happening after like 2 months 

     

    You can see in the video marked gear issues at 13.51.44.... But for the upload to youtube its 0.32 seconds in you can clearly see me put my left hand up to say like what the fudge as I was on a long stretch of road nice and clear and it went to saying I wasn't in any gear then back to I was it wasn't so bad there but its bad when I'm on a roundabout which also happened as I drop down a gear to go round. 

     

     

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