Not sure on this one...

[Rik398]

hey folks.

firstly would like to say this is completley hypothetical. Im doing a law degree soon and am generally interested in laws and how they work etc.

Basically couple of months and my restriction is up and i am allowerd 12 points on the old license. Which is generally a good thing becuase although i dont generally go like a bat out of hell everywhere it is at least nice to know that you dont get the feeling that you are being mis trusted and everything generally feels a bit more propper.

However, as far as i understand it is the same for a car, you get 2 years of 'new driver' treatment and have your limit to 6 points.

My question being a fairly complicated one but possibly easy answered. If have been riding a bike for 2 years, and am allowed my 12 points, if i then get a car license, is it still the case that i am restricted to 6 for my car?

As far as i understood it the points go to your license, not your vehicle. For example if i got banned from driving a bike (not looking to, dont speed generally, this is just hypothetical) then it doesnt mean i can constinue driving a car, as it is a driving ban., rather than a specific vehicle ban.

If i get a car, and am still restricted to 6 points, then surley it is unfair (again hypthetically, i just like looking at laws and stuff for amusment, i am that sad ) for me to be banned from driving my bike, as i am allowed 12 points for that. so how is it, i am allowed 12 points for one vehicle, and 6 for another, if points are license based rather than vehicle specific.

cheers, probably not that interesting but just a thort that came to me.

[Guest]

well i dont really know, and im sure there are people who do but, the licenses are classed separately. For example, i have a full motorbike license but i still had to do the Theory car test to take the full car test.

Also, insruance wise the NCB is seprate for both too

So one would assume the car is set to 6 points and the motorbike is kept the same?

Like i said i dont know the actual answer but that's what i think is post probable. ?

[JoeyRH]

Although I'm no expert, I know that you only have ONE licence and the ability to drive a car or ride a bike are just catagories on the licence and not separate ones in their own right.

If you lose your licence for drinking driving for example while driving in your car, you are banned from riding your motorcycle too, although I'm not certain on the exact science behind how points are distributed across it. I'm sure someone will know for sure.

p.s. I'm a Law student. It's a fascinating subject to study and would recommend it

[satnavsatnav]

The probationary period applies to each catagory so im afraid if you did your car it would be as if you were a new driver from scratch (not fair) but tuff cookies im afraid

[techno]

The probationary period applies to each catagory so im afraid if you did your car it would be as if you were a new driver from scratch (not fair) but tuff cookies im afraid

 

I got 3 points 18 months after passing my bike test and the copper said it applied to both looked it up in his rule book...whatever it was i rode drove very carefully for the next 6 months!!

[Guest]

You get points on your LICENSE. The license includes car, AND bike.

So if u do your car, and get six points, you'd have to do both the car, AND the bike again!

I know its ridiculous. Even if u get 6 points on yr bike.

Crazy, but yup, thats the case.

[Julesholling]

You get points on your LICENSE. The license includes car, AND bike.

So if u do your car, and get six points, you'd have to do both the car, AND the bike again!

 

That's how i understood it too. When you get points they get printed on your paper license. You only have one of those shich covers your bike and car license, so the points apply to both too

[TC]

Get 12 Points in the car and your "on your Bike"

[Julesholling]

Get 12 Points in the car and your "on your Bike"

 

i'm guessing you mean the type with pedals lol

[RiffmasterII]

As far as Im aware the 2 year probationary period is just for your licence, once youve done your 2 years youre done and wont have to do it again if you learn to drive a car, probably best to ask DVLA to be honest

[TC1474]

As far as Im aware the 2 year probationary period is just for your licence, once youve done your 2 years youre done and wont have to do it again if you learn to drive a car, probably best to ask DVLA to be honest

 

By and large you are right.

You are given one licence with various entitlements such as car, motorcycle, HGV etc.

The probationary period commences from the date of the first full entitlement gained. So for example if you passed your car test in 2000, you will have held a full licence for 10 years.

If you then pass your motorcycle test in the year 2010, you are given a new full entitlement, but your probationary period will have expired 8 years previously, so therefore the 6 point rule does not apply.

If you are still within the probationary period and you end up losing your licence under these rules, in other words you revert back to being a learner, then you become a learner in all categories and therefore would have to retake both car and bike.

If you are ordered to take a retest by the courts, then once you have taken one retest, your entiltlements for all categories are restored.

Hope that makes sense.

[Rik398]

thanks for the responces.

Interesting stuff. im not planning on the car thing until im older anyway. cant afford a decent enough car on insurance to really justify it at the moment

cheers

[Guest]

Shit really innit?

You have to study, insure, tax and sit a separate test for each category but they all get hit if you get points.

I think this is so unfair and that each category should be treated in isolation - with the exception of drink driving which should be across the board.

As an example: If Stu was done for speeding on his bike it doesn't automatically follow that his ability to drive a bus is affected in any way - and he's not likely to be popping wheelies in a double-decker so why not just penalise the mode of transport the offence was commited on instead of ruining someone's livelihood?

This could apply to HGV drivers and those who need a car for work etc....

[Guest]

So what your saying is... for someone that dont drive a bus for a living... its ok to get hit with the points/ban... but if you need your other licence category for work they shud be more leniant.. bullshit!

You know the rules, dont break them... especially if your income depends on it!!

[techno]

So what your saying is... for someone that dont drive a bus for a living... its ok to get hit with the points/ban... but if you need your other licence category for work they shud be more leniant.. bullshit!

You know the rules, dont break them... especially if your income depends on it!!

 

Actually thats not what hes saying, what he seems to be saying is that if they can take each category as seperate for insurance and road tax and actually obtaining a licence then why not for bans and points etc, hell even a ncb doesnt cross categories!

[Guest]

Absotively - you've hit the nail on the thumb!