Do your bike test soon

[ricky_v]

more bullshit from the (unelected) EU comission.

most bike and larger vehicle RTA's is the larger vehicle's fault.

the EU loves unnesessary regualation and bureacracy, they need more car drivers to collect more revenue for their failed project.

how about we start with reforming the car (up to a massive 3,500KG) test before picking on users who vehicles couldnt knock over a bladdy sheep

ive managed to do the old test before the EUSSR brought in all this swerve test crap, never looked back since

 

Ooooo some more unverified information.

As a car driver im pretty pissed with your accusation... maybe you would like to get the statistics to back up your claim, and also provide stats on how many bike accidents are due to rider error! Thanks

 

hello Vicky,

first off we have an claims company claiming that :-

 

In many cases, motorcycle accidents are caused by drivers that are unaware of the presence of a motorcyclist. It is therefore important for motorcyclists to take all possible safety precautions and ensure that they drive 'defensively' in order to avoid being injured in a road accident.

 

http://www.thelegalline.co.uk/road_traf ... laims.html

then we have the booth report, granted, done 21 years ago, but nether the less conluded:-

 

Half of the accidents were caused by car drivers, and 10% by pedestrians. The report found that two-thirds of motorcycle accidents where the driver was at fault were due to the driver failing to anticipate the action of the motorcyclist. Half of the accidents were caused by car drivers, and 10% by pedestrians. The report found that two-thirds of motorcycle accidents where the driver was at fault were due to the driver failing to anticipate the action of the motorcyclist.

 

http://www.ukwheels.com/accidents.asp

and here we have scotland's government concluding:-

 

Accidents on built-up roads tended to be the fault of the motorist rather than the motorcyclist. A significant number of accidents were caused by cars turning right or doing a 'u' turn in front of the motorcyclist. However, motorcyclists were also at fault on some built-up road accidents because riders lost control due to excessive speed, slippery roads, inexperience etc..

Accidents on non built-up roads were mostly the fault of the motorcyclist and were often due to 'loss of control'. Over two-thirds of accidents on non-built-up roads involved larger engined 'sports' bikes (i.e. over 500cc). Very few mopeds and scooters were involved in accidents on non built-up roads.

 

DfT states

When the Department for Transport looked into this in 2005 as part of the government's "motorcycling strategy", it found that in accidents with cars (which account for 50% of motorcyclist deaths) where the rider died, blame was attributable to the rider in nearly 70% of cases. In accidents with cars where the rider didn't die, the car driver was responsible for 61% of cases.

 

http://www.scenta.co.uk/eco/global%20wa ... orbike.htm

Mixed bag really, personally since i ride a small machine in mainly urban areas i am more likely to be in a non fault accident, whereas if i was on a big machine doing 1000 miles a year exclusivley on rural roads im more likely to be in a fault accident, possibly

maybe if all cars were bikes, and bikes were cars, most accidents would be caused by a motorcyclist, lets ask why they have chainged, and making it harder to get on a bike, dispite most accidents being the car drivers fault (in built up areas).

Even if the new bike test reduced motorcycle fault accidents (without droping the number of new bike licencees), and was generally a competent test, i would still be slagging it off because its the EU comission, which isnt accountable for anything that has brought this is, and the DSA ltd who passed it through not on the basis of safety, but on the basis that its a good excuse to close a number of test centres down.

To be fair to the EU, i was informed that the EU allowed the swerve test to be conducted in MPH, therefore it could be done on a public residential road, but why diddnt the DSA take them up on this kind offer?

[Guest]

So you agree that this..

 

most bike and larger vehicle RTA's is the larger vehicle's fault.

 

was a sweeping statement you made earlier which you cant actually back up with solid factual information.... well done on the post though, shows you've done some research... although 21 years ago may be a tad out of touch with reality lol

[Ingah]

A thought...

50BHP...

500cc newbie bikes (i.e. sensible learning bikes - the non-sporty sorts of bikes that insurers like us to all to ride):

CB500/GPZ500S produce 57/59BHP *facepalm*

Even the underpowered GS500 is 52bhp.

ER5 is somewhere in-between (i.e. in the range of 52-57)

Do these people pluck figures up out of the air to cause the maximum level of annoyance?

There's precious little in the 250-500cc range otherwise suitable.

Is this going to be another case of bodged law like the 25kW (33.5BHP) restriction laws? (i.e. unsuitable as far as it seems designed so that all the bikes used and sold are unsuitable, as well as being as clear as mud as far as enforcement and measurement of power. i.e. exceptionally vague).

3 tests as well. There aren't many people going to get to test 3 without running out of money or getting fed up. It's very sad that this extreme measure has been pretty much accepted with the usual precious little sensible consideration. The enforced training is arguably a very good idea though, but in light of this it seems very unnecessary (and expensive, as well as stressful for the "full license for years yet still treated as learners" people) to be tested on top.

And yes, the CBT is the current problem, i reckon most of the serious and best quality training should be performed before a rider is allowed out on the road unaided as these are the kids that crash and die in their inexperience. A "test 3" attendee is the least likely to benefit from needing to be tested yet again.

Anyone also considered the fact that this will encourage even more people not to bother getting a license, and just get what they want (another vehicle stolen from someone else obviously, no point risking your own vehicle if the police are going to seize it off you if they catch), run from the police, don't bother insuring it of course (no point without a license) and then making everyone else's lives a misery in the accidents they cause?

[Guy Montag]

OMG!! How far can we go with this... im sure that statistics are looked at before anyone decides what to do, and yeh a car could launch in the air and land in someones bedroom... but its probably more likely that someone could fall off their bike...

Think logically instead of with your heart

 

But when someone come off a bike they get hurt and are very unlikely to hurt others. The opposite is true for cars.

Would you rather a nutter on a bike goes wide on a corner and plows into you or a nutter in a car?

For the biker to get hurt is his choice and personal risk. For the car driver he is choosing to risk other people a lot more than him self.

[Hywel]

OMG!! How far can we go with this... im sure that statistics are looked at before anyone decides what to do, and yeh a car could launch in the air and land in someones bedroom... but its probably more likely that someone could fall off their bike...

Think logically instead of with your heart

 

But when someone come off a bike they get hurt and are very unlikely to hurt others. The opposite is true for cars.

Would you rather a nutter on a bike goes wide on a corner and plows into you or a nutter in a car?

For the biker to get hurt is his choice and personal risk. For the car driver he is choosing to risk other people a lot more than him self.

 

Not sure I agree there, a 200 - 300kg bike going at 80 - 90 mph will go through a car door/window like butter... would make an awful mess of a pedestrian too.

[Guest]

Yes but alot less likely to hurt others... at all speeds.

Smaller, lighter etc.

[Jixerman]

We seem to kill more flies than car drivers though

[lingy3]

Think someones already done the count of car drivers killed by bikes

Takes ya chance

[Guest]

I had alot of flies on my car tho...