Rossi back to Yamaha

[Stu]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/182765 ... eturn.html

[uk190]

Woo hoo. And that frees his ducati ride for cal.

I guess I'll wait for tech3 to call me regarding cals ride

[Matt Strange]

It just goes to show exactly how good Mr Stoner is to be able to win on that Ducati.

All those modifications & Rossi still couldn't ride it!

[polecat]

Thank god for that

Watching him on Ducati was painfull

Welcome back to the Darkside Rossi

[baggy]

Great news I can't wait to see the Legend back on top.

I wonder how cheap Ducati will be selling these monsters now

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Valentino-Rossi-Monster-Art-1.jpg

[techno]

It just goes to show exactly how good Mr Stoner is to be able to win on that Ducati.

All those modifications & Rossi still couldn't ride it!

According to jb there wernt many alterations, you also cant compare ducati caught the japs out but once they caught up ducati stood no chance.

Imo if this is anything to do with ezpeleta then his legend status becomes tainted somewhat, still dont think with stoner retiring anyone will see which way lorenzo went!

[Matt Strange]

So a complete chassis redesign, from carbon fibre to aluminium isn't a major modification to a bike then, with lots of other modifications that would have ensured due to using a completely different material in such a major component?. O.K. then.....!

Stoner won on the Ducati in 2007 & you could hardly say that Ducati had any advantages over the competition since that time, even if the Ducati was a better bike in the 2007 season. Stoner was in the top 4 at least until Rossi made the switch in the 2011 season. Stoner won that year, Rossi came 7th!. Where is he this year & has he even won a race? What was his best result, 3rd?

If they had swapped bikes over the 2007-11 period, Stoner would certainly have won more races than Rossi.

http://www.motogp.com/en/results+statistics

[rennie]

I would never bet against Rossi !

can he do it again?

we'll have to wait and see

[techno]

So a complete chassis redesign, from carbon fibre to aluminium isn't a major modification to a bike then, with lots of other modifications that would have ensured due to using a completely different material in such a major component?. O.K. then.....!

Stoner won on the Ducati in 2007 & you could hardly say that Ducati had any advantages over the competition since that time, even if the Ducati was a better bike in the 2007 season. Stoner was in the top 4 at least until Rossi made the switch in the 2011 season. Stoner won that year, Rossi came 7th!. Where is he this year & has he even won a race? What was his best result, 3rd?

If they had swapped bikes over the 2007-11 period, Stoner would certainly have won more races than Rossi.

http://www.motogp.com/en/results+statistics

So as you say its s totally different bike to the one stoner rode, I'm not taking anything away from stoner but you can't compare the 2 machines, when stoner won his title there was even a tyre war on and yhe bridgestones were made for the ducati, as I said once the japs caught up ducati was doomed, expecting them to build an ally framed bike like the japs have been doing for years and for it to win with no real updates is imo rediculous. Stoner did win on the previous incarnation but he crashed it a lot as well showing it was already flawed.

[techno]

I would never bet against Rossi !

can he do it again?

we'll have to wait and see

I think and hope lorenzo kicks his ass!

[BoB3rt]

So as you say its s totally different bike to the one stoner rode, I'm not taking anything away from stoner but you can't compare the 2 machines, when stoner won his title there was even a tyre war on and yhe bridgestones were made for the ducati, as I said once the japs caught up ducati was doomed, expecting them to build an ally framed bike like the japs have been doing for years and for it to win with no real updates is imo rediculous. Stoner did win on the previous incarnation but he crashed it a lot as well showing it was already flawed.

 

Agreed in both parts, the ducati was flawed to start, most crash outs from stoner was the front folding in, he even put them silly wings on to get more down force in the front. imo just shows how much determination stoner had (nothing to do with better) and would push it into bends knowing it didnt have the capabilties to grip the front and would pray he made it round! sometimes he would sometimes he'd crash out.

Now rossi did start on the same bike stoner left (or a very close spec) and I think rossi is just as good but didnt have the determination or the balls to throw it into bends and hope for the best to win (where stoner had the eye of the tiger) - Ironic that the time rossi gives it a go up the inside the bike folds at the front and wipes stoner out

I think both are fantastic riders and if stoner stuck around the battles would be immense with rossi back at yam.

Now i could be WAY off base here and am not paid millions for these thoughts but, ever seen the Rc8 races? Fantastic to watch them all struggle with the bike and twitching and one important point losing the front in bends.... then look at the engine placing in a RC8

http://www.scenicreflections.com/ithumbs/KTM_RC8_Superstock_1000_01_1024x768.jpg

Its set back very much like the Ducrappy GP bike. so not enough wieght on the front? All am saying....

I dont like Jorge but Very good smooth rider!

[ManInASuitcase]

Dovi. will get the factory ride at Ducati not Cal.

With Rossi leaving they need another Italian to replace him,this is the reason for the u turn.

In my opinion if Rossi had stayed Hayden would have got the boot and Crutchlow would have been in.

Think Ducati knew Rossi was on his way a couple of weeks back.

Steve

[techno]

Ezpeleta seemed to know a week after stoner announced his retirement

[Matt Strange]

Now rossi did start on the same bike stoner left (or a very close spec)

Exactly.

I wouldn't write Rossi off totally, but give both riders equal machines & my money would be on Stoner every time as he is the better rider.

Rossi reminds me of Alan Prost, good with good equipment. Stoner of Aryton Senna i.e. making poor machinery competitive due to his overall ability.

[techno]

Now rossi did start on the same bike stoner left (or a very close spec)

Exactly.

I wouldn't write Rossi off totally, but give both riders equal machines & my money would be on Stoner every time as he is the better rider.

Rossi reminds me of Alan Prost, good with good equipment. Stoner of Aryton Senna i.e. making poor machinery competitive due to his overall ability.

In your opinion, personally there of different eras tbh how many 500 titles did stoner win, could he have won any who knows they are all exceptional, if lorenzo beats stoner this year with stoner on the honda would that make him the best?

I still think rossi should have stayed on the duc and see what audi could have offered...

[ManInASuitcase]

Now rossi did start on the same bike stoner left (or a very close spec)

Exactly.

I wouldn't write Rossi off totally, but give both riders equal machines & my money would be on Stoner every time as he is the better rider.

Rossi reminds me of Alan Prost, good with good equipment. Stoner of Aryton Senna i.e. making poor machinery competitive due to his overall ability.

Sorry mate,I find this statement remarkable.

Good with good equipment!

People have very short memories,do you not remember when he went to Yamaha.

They hadn't won a championship for 10 years and where no where near doing so.Lucky if they got a podium.

He and his crew totally transformed the bike and Lorenzo is now reaping the rewards.

When you say Stoner is the better rider do you mean as of now or over a career,I hope you mean at this present time because over a career it's no contest.

Rossi is not called the GOAT for nothing.

[BoB3rt]

When you say Stoner is the better rider do you mean as of now or over a career,I hope you mean at this present time because over a career it's no contest.

Rossi is not called the GOAT for nothing.

 

Cant compare this, and imo the past means nothing but information for estimates, what matters is the current season (at any time)

You say Lorenzo (who am not a fan of) reaps the benefits but is Stoner not reaping the benefits from whoever helped design the Honda? Also saying that sounds like you put anyone on a yam they are a winner - no no no.

Rossi and his mechanics may have had control but also limitations, something is wrong with the ducati to bring it up to speed with the Yam and Honda. Am sure Rossi took all he knew with him into that factory and when Burgess says "I can fix that in 80secs" or whatever he said, just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't. Just not allowed too? ei "Scrap this piece of junk lets start again we have the formula" Ducati reply; "not a chance!"

But again Stoner had the bottle to push it into bends and pray where others dont.

Perhaps Audi will fund to bring a better bike it would be good but i think rossi has made the right choice.

[ManInASuitcase]

When you say Stoner is the better rider do you mean as of now or over a career,I hope you mean at this present time because over a career it's no contest.

Rossi is not called the GOAT for nothing.

 

Cant compare this, and imo the past means nothing but information for estimates, what matters is the current season (at any time)

You say Lorenzo (who am not a fan of) reaps the benefits but is Stoner not reaping the benefits from whoever helped design the Honda? Also saying that sounds like you put anyone on a yam they are a winner - no no no.

Rossi and his mechanics may have had control but also limitations, something is wrong with the ducati to bring it up to speed with the Yam and Honda. Am sure Rossi took all he knew with him into that factory and when Burgess says "I can fix that in 80secs" or whatever he said, just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't. Just not allowed too? ei "Scrap this piece of junk lets start again we have the formula" Ducati reply; "not a chance!"

But again Stoner had the bottle to push it into bends and pray where others dont.

Perhaps Audi will fund to bring a better bike it would be good but i think rossi has made the right choice.

I too think Rossi as made the correct decision,sad to see him not be a success on the Ducati but time waits for no man and the clock is ticking.

On youre comment about the best rider,I agree it's the present what counts but who's to say if you put Rossi on the Honda he would not only match Stoner but beat him.

When in an early post a member quoted Stoner was the better rider I just wondered how you measure who is the better rider.

For me this is measured at the end of a career otherwise after today you could say Pedrosa is the better rider and so on.

Just wishing for a competitive season next year with the GOAT coming out on top(this is an unbiased view)

[techno]

Good luck to vale he will need it to beat lorenzo personally its a tall order imo and the move could do yet more harm to his rep because he won't be able to blame the bike.

As for whose the best well you can't compare eras and tho still around rossi is of yesteryear and in this present era he is bested by lorenzo and stoner its a real shame stoner is retiring.

[Matt Strange]

Good with good equipment!

People have very short memories,do you not remember when he went to Yamaha.

They hadn't won a championship for 10 years and where no where near doing so.Lucky if they got a podium.

He and his crew totally transformed the bike and Lorenzo is now reaping the rewards.

 

He didn't get anywhere until they sorted the bike as you have mentioned. So, I think the comment that he performs on 'good' equipment is thus very valid as you have just confirmed!

[techno]

Difference between sucess and failure is so small they all only perform on good equipment

Stoner won his championship on the duke when they went to 800 and ducati caught the japs out it was a steady decline form then on as i sort of said previuos, stoner knew the game was up and jumped ship to honda, im pretty sure even the mighty stoner couldnt win on this ducati, yes i think he would do bettter but not significantly.

However it would have been nice to see him, pedders, lorenzo and rossi battleing next year unfortunatly hes decided to go fishing instead.

[ManInASuitcase]

Good with good equipment!

People have very short memories,do you not remember when he went to Yamaha.

They hadn't won a championship for 10 years and where no where near doing so.Lucky if they got a podium.

He and his crew totally transformed the bike and Lorenzo is now reaping the rewards.

 

He didn't get anywhere until they sorted the bike as you have mentioned. So, I think the comment that he performs on 'good' equipment is thus very valid as you have just confirmed!

He won first time out on the Yamaha and nobody can ever tell me that bike was anywhere near the best in the field.

The bikes transformation came as the races progressed to what we had in the end,a dominant bike.

This happened due to the brilliance of Rossi and his crew.

We all have our favourites with Sheene being my other but I wouldn't go as far to say he was the best.

With Rossi it's different,in my eyes he as proven to be the greatest.

Others will have different opinions,this is what makes great pub arguments

[ManInASuitcase]

Difference between sucess and failure is so small they all only perform on good equipment

Stoner won his championship on the duke when they went to 800 and ducati caught the japs out it was a steady decline form then on as i sort of said previuos, stoner knew the game was up and jumped ship to honda, im pretty sure even the mighty stoner couldnt win on this ducati, yes i think he would do bettter but not significantly.

However it would have been nice to see him, pedders, lorenzo and rossi battleing next year unfortunatly hes decided to go fishing instead.

If you listened to Stoner fans mate I'm sure they think he could win on the Duc.

I agree he did know it would be a slow decline on the bike and who could blame him moving to the mighty Honda.

If Rossi had been quite a few years younger he probably would have took more risks to get the Duc. further up the grid but who knows.The bike just doesn't suit his riding style.

All I'm hoping for is quality races next year,after Sundays procession this is desperatly needed.

Thank goodness for moto 3.

[rennie]

I'd really really like Rossi to do it again!

Do I think he will? I just don't know!

[Matt Strange]

I was getting confused with when the bikes went 800cc . Yeah Vali did win that first season (04?) but Yamaha was hardly a terrible team to begin with - didn't Max Biaggi have a 2nd in the championship only two years before?