nearly sorted just need to plan a location. my 40l tail bag seems to hold far more than I thought. Collapsing kettle, gas stove, 3 slim pans that form lids for big camping pots but big enough to cook soup and stuff. we will have bacon butties breakie and eat out at lunch etc. Spare gas, collapsing light, peg hammer, 2 thin sleeping bags, blow-up pillows, plastic wine glasses lol (why not) most cooking stuff and all above go in the tail bag with space for sugar, coffee etc. All the Mrs has to carry is tent and sleeping bag, few spare clothes. Just got to decide where but near Whitby looks likely. A site with cafe looks likely so we only need to cook brews and breakfast. And can wash etc. I do like the idea of rough camping out in the wild as it were, but only Scotland and Dartmoor offer that. But far for her this time. thanks for the input. As its, a novelty for us and the first time we will take pics of it to bore you all with