Bogof Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 So when is it ok to take life? Try "never". Best stop eating meat then, and no putting animals down, no matter how compassionate the reason Are you perhaps assuming that I'm not a vegetarian in shifting the goalposts in that way?We have been discussing, and I clearly meant, human life, but at a guess you already knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkeh9 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Are you perhaps assuming that I'm not a vegetarian in shifting the goalposts in that way?We have been discussing, and I clearly meant, human life, but at a guess you already knew that. Yeah of course I did , just think it's wrong to differentiate. A dog would be put down for biting someone, why isn't it rehabilitated / trained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techno Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 Am just wondering if the pro lifers for thee nasty scum criminals are also anti abortion, or is that a whole different topic ? Its human life afterall ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollingskies Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 It's a good point. The majority of people in this country approve abortion. This includes abortion at 40 weeks for those kids with severe disabilities. Yep that's the law as far as I am aware.But the same people would spit fire and brimstone if one stripe was to be laid on the backs of a child murderer of a 1 day old baby and fully support life in jail. Many of the same people will also think euthansia has a place in society, but no never execute a murderer - even if he wants execution (cite: Moors Murderer (the guy) and a recent attempt by several murderers in Italy who want to be executed). Interestingly we allow people to fly to Dignitas who are perfectly well to end their lives, but we won't allow murderers to commit suicide or attend Dignitas. A society full of hypocrisy IMO.I think it's simple:No-one has the right to take any life ever except for:1. Self defence2. Just war3. Execution for murderersIt is murder of the unborn to kill children. It is murder of the elderly to encourage, permit or allow people to end their lives. Murderers in our society have their crime condoned by the state which doesn't believe to be that serious. My life and yours is worth just a few years in prison to the state. They have blood on their hands for the blood of the innocent not put right. I do not argue that all the above should have the death penalty btw.I'm sorry to those who have had abortions, know someone who has gone off to Dignitas or perhaps has deliberately killed someone for all I know, but that's my view. Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogof Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 It's a good point. The majority of people in this country approve abortion. This includes abortion at 40 weeks for those kids with severe disabilities. Yep that's the law as far as I am aware. You might want to check that figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollingskies Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 We digress rather but:http://www.healthcentre.org.uk/abortion ... stics.htmlDuring 2008 nearly 200,000 women in England and Wales had an abortion, which is almost 550 abortions each dayOne in three women have an abortion. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/ ... dwellbeinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_i ... ed_Kingdomccording to a 2004 The Times/Populus survey, Britons' feelings on abortion are:[23] * 75% of Britons believe abortion should be legal o 38% of Britons believe abortion should "always" be legal o 36% of Britons believe abortion should "mostly" be legal * 23% of Britons believe abortion should be illegal o 20% of Britons believe abortion should "mostly" be illegal o 4% of Britons believe abortion should "always" be illegalWhat figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollingskies Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Oh and lastly: http://prolife.org.uk/category/abortion/Check this out and other pro life sites. Watch the videos and see the pictures.There are videos out there which I will not post and will not watch that show living babies getting cut up alive by people who moments earlier might be delivering a baby at exactly the same gestation. If someone can watch someone kill a baby just about to be born, which has some abnormality, all in the name of kindness then I cannot enter that mindset. I think many people just don't understand or know what goes on. If it is right, why is advertising against it banned? Why can't the pictures be displayed? It's legal, right and perfectly kind and fair to the mother after all. We have no problems with violent films, pornography and other graphic things in this country, open heart surgery on TV. Why not have abortions at 40 weeks done on tv too? Wonder why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogof Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 What figures? The only figure you used, and the only one I quoted. "Legal abortion" at 40 weeks would, in the majority of normal term pregnancies, result in abortion at the point of birth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 What figures? The only figure you used, and the only one I quoted. "Legal abortion" at 40 weeks would, in the majority of normal term pregnancies, result in abortion at the point of birth. Just what I was thinking, 40 weeks is the birth week! Personally the abortion issue is another subject...yes it is related to 'pro life', but irrelavant to hanging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollingskies Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/E ... 6Intro.htmAll of the grounds A-G have no time limit. Obvious ones like if continuing the pregnancy would kill the mother or give a significant risk of killing her.The one I refer to is E.Ground E: There is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicappedHowever, back on topic as above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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