Just not too sure if i like the pannier itself, may order the panniers next month in going tonget the sw motech evo carrier. Like youbsaid i can see it in the flesh, if they donthe job happy days if not i can always return them. Thanks for the help!! Not really a fan of soft luggage. I like to know thats its properly fixed to my bike! Also i have two high exhausts on each side. They get warm but not hot. The panniers from SW Motech ARE properly fixed to the bike. they are secured onto the rack, the one you would have to buy for the Givi cases. And also the rack ensures there is a gap. seen here: bc_hta_00_741_11000_b_1_xl.jpg