polecat

did the instructor know your lad wanted a cbt for a geared bike?

if so contact a solicitor because they are in breach of the contract they made with your lad.

or just threaten them with a solicitor

oh sure they new and he has no interest in a twist and go But they have kind of forced his hand really which is why I think something is fundamentaly Wrong with the CBT system and the people that Provide the training.

Bit like I have always thought Only VOSA should be able to Do mot's, Not garages who have an interest in you "failing" if you see what I mean

Doesn't sound great Polecat

at least he hasn't lost a whole £99. Is there an alternative traing school?

Well they didnt give him back the money they are holding on to it until he tops it up next week so they have a captive pupil I guess.

They should Not in my opinion Tell someone to go on an automatic Just because they need more time to learn clutch control than some others else why is it called "Training" in CBT

Also he found them Rude and impatient So I guess CBT training Is going Down hill and may put alot of people of the Bike experience altogether ?

Needs alot of Sorting out In my opinion Or Maby the DSA will need to take charge of it more ?

My boy just failed his CBT and it sounds basicaly like the trainer couldn't be bothered to train him.

He had never been on a bike before but by lunchtime was sent home and told to come back another week and Do it on a twist and go.

Now he may well go back and pass on a twist and go but would then go streight out and by a 125 geared !

So Why, when you take a test on a vehicle with the DSA you can only Drive geared if you pass on a geared or if you passed on a Auto you can only drive Automatics.

I know the CBT is not a TEST as such But it is a permit showiing competence to Ride On the road, and Is Passing it on a twist and go really showing competence to ride a geared on your own on the road after the Trainer said your Not up to it In effect

He was told the £99 was going to have 45 deducted as if it was a trial lesson and he will need to pay another £54 next week to do the cbt on a 50cc moped

To my mind this is utter Crap but you may think otherwise

RST Helmet £70

kevlar plated leather gloves £14

padded leather trousers £1.60

padded leather jacket £5.00

Diadora boots £16.00

cold and rainy all the above + thermal liner gloves,balaclava and fluresent Jacket

This is wether I am going 1 mile or 100 miles

I'm not sure of your previous experience ....and time/practice on a bike does help.

When doing a 5 day DAS course all time on a bike has to be paid for until you pass mod 1 and 2 even after the 5 day course any additional time and tests if required will also need to be paid for

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When doing it on a 125cc- you have unlimited practice- take both Mods in your own time, and seperately, still allow for a bit of training, then its free to practice what you have been shown. If you want to take a test earlier than the self booking waiting lists use a trainer as they have them booked in advance -and when you have passed go for a 250cc or 33 bhp restricted big bike. (Apparently this is stopping in October- das bike test will be taken on 600cc and only allow you to ride a 600cc)

Apologies if I just got the wrong end of the stick, but reading the bit in brackets at the end put me into panic mode. I'd have to move quickly to beat that. I just called the school I'll be doing my CBT at (and more than likely the DAS training too) and he's said the next change to the testing and licencing is due in 2013. He did say the government could do pretty much anything in the mean time, but that there's nothing on the horizon, and he'd expect to know about changes 6 months to a year in advance.

Maybe he was wrong though, hopefully someone will correct me if so.

When I spoke to them in the past they suggested getting a 125 to practice on and once I'm ready, get a bit of training on a bigger bike and go for the DAS - best of both worlds that way. Get the miles under your belt, then get familiar with a bigger machine, then pass the test (simple as that eh? ).

That sounds like the best Advice Ive heard "Best of both worlds" and a really clever aproach the Miles covered On a 125 are very valuable In my opinion.

Oh yea, I don't mean are you getting the restricted but whether you were going to get a 125 to practice on (so you can ride without supervision) but still do the test on a big'un. Clearly not though, as your answer made clear.

I take it you're going to keep up posted on how the test goes?

yeah I would be tempted in this situation to ditch the car for a while and get about more on a 125 cos there is nothing that makes you more aware your on a bike than when your on a 125

me too everytime I cross a side road or car park or step out to overtake another ped Quick life saver then manouver at least I have stopped trying to cancel my Non exsistent Indicators afterwards

HI all, just to let you know, failed first attempt 6 days ago, some how managed to get a date today, and i passed, no minors, happy days, very relieved, and very happy. Thanks for all the advice and encouragement on my previous posts guys, here's to Mod2

Great news ! nearly there then ..........

How did you find it ....after I passed i thought it was quiet a good test ...before it was the most stupid $*~~~~## in the world

There is a diference between Making mistakes and breaking the law ?

Failing to stop at a stop sign is no diferent to going through a red traffic light and had you been coming along that Road when the Rider failed to stop and he had Hit you of caused you to skid to avoid him, would you have been pleased to know he got a CBT certificate having Done so ? I think not considering all the threads we see about this very situation

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Get out a bit more, see if you can do a 1 day DAS or something (yeah I know, money money money). I'd also highly recommend BikeSafe which is a day with the police for £45 - absolute bargain.

Most forces require a Full licence and Mine is free as the fee is paid by cornwall council but they will not allow learners which is a shame really

I've got to say I really like the idea of module 1. The speed test is entirely fine but they do need to adjust it for the conditions and the machines.

Quite simply, they need to take out the "speed" restriction. Or at least give everyone enough of a run up so they don't focus on the speed but rather on the stop.

In short, it's a good idea. Just needs refining.

Agree with you

Hi all. Just a bit of advice really. I paid for my dad to take his CBT for his birthday which he took today. I went round to his house around 5 this evening and he told me that he'd failed! I couldn't quiet believe it. I asked him what he had failed for and he said that it was because he'd treated a stop sign at a junction like a give way. Surely this wouldn't count as a failure? I mean he's 61 and has been driving for more than 40 years so it's not as if he hasn't got the road sense (normally). He said had no other problems during any other part of the day and wasn't told he couldn't handle the bike.

So I was just wondering if this seems right or is it just that the company aren't doing as many tests etc and are just trying to make more money as they've said it's going to cost him another £50 to do just the road training again. Advice please...

Treating a stop sign as a give way is dangerous and as said would get you points .

CBT will not give a certificate to someone who they condider dangerous on the road so I dont see the issue here ?

If you think its a problem with the Examiner you could always consider Going elsewhere to Do your test ....this was what i was going to Do if i failed again ! but Never give up because it is better to spend a little more on your licence than you planned to than to have waisted all that money for nothing !!

Took my Mod 2 again today for the THIRD time....despite feeling good and prepared and that the ride went well I FAILED

Ist attempt - failed for being to close to a lorry as I came off a roundabout on a dual carriageway

2nd attempt-(Decided to keep well back from lorries and tankers)Failed for failing to overtake tractor - towing a tanker on narrow country road so was a bit hard to see with the trees and overhanging branches etc

3rd attempt-today- failed for apparently pulling back in too early

after overtaking a lorry on dual carrieageway

So any advice- having done 5 day das course and loads more days/ hours for the retakes, spent a fortune and used up all my annual holiday...... should I

a) save up and buy a 125 to practice on and go for restricted option

b)save up and try again (no gurantee)

c) give it up as a bad job and take up Knitting

you could easily Drop stitches Knitting or forget you put the needles down and sit on them causing severe injury,get arthritus ...Need I go on !

From what you say I would say go for option B as said you will have to start again with restricted and you are nearly there !! Mod 2 is a Lottery and some people have to buy quiet a few tickets to win and I think you have just been Unlucky So keep going at least until your theory Expires !

Start a thread here next time you have it booked For lots of support and we can all wish you the Luck you obviously could Do with

Very well Done

Sounds alot like My test

I Did Go the wrong way twice as well ,lessons are Great but I Prefered the DIY method also

failed mod 1 today, hazard avoidance, 1kph to slow here's to the re-sit, 23rd august

Same happened to me ,its So annoying but next time you will Blast it "!"

Very nice

Have we had a price mentioned yet ?

Well done

All the Best Riders Fail on the speed Trap So Now you have proved what a safe sensible Rider you are GO and Blast it Through the thing And get your Mod 1 ¬

Well Done Both of you !

Goes to Show it can be Done If your determined

It looks the bizz, might check em out! I haven't even got a garage. I use an anchor on my drive with the bike cover. Is your speedo a bit dodgy then?

Well Its going to be the same for me now No garage so ill make a shelter..

Check out the My new bike thread where I posted a couple of photos of the Divvy its getting alot of attention around here because you dont see them so much ,everytime I take it out I get "nice bike mate" which makes me feel I made the Right choice

Speedo may be working perfectly If I was going slower than I thought

If not then the cable may need replacment as its 0-40mph then sticks at 40 until I slow down then its normal ?

Got my mod 1 tomorrow, my question is that my instuctor said that I only need to check over my right shoulder when moving/turning but all the youtube videos I've seen shows the rider checking both shoulders. I have complete faith in my instructor but just getting a little nervous I guess and thought I would question this.

Depends where you are and which way you are turning of course....

When on the Mod 1 course you are not in a lane your in a car park so its all imaginary and one could argue a cyclist could be coming up from your left if you are turning left or a car could be overtaking you as you are about to do the Uturn So what I did is shoulder check Both sides before moving off and only Right hand on the Uturn.

Imagine you will less likely get minors for doing both sides than only one if you get an arsey Examiner ?

Yeah I can't wait, will have a look around local bike shops today and see what is about!! How are you getting on with your bike?

Well apart from the Speedo is only going up to 40 at the moment (or I am)

It needs a full service so am waiting for a torque wrench to arrive

and it does not Fit in the Bike garage I built for the YBR

Apart From those things it is Awsome to ride and It is the Original Bandit If you want to consider a cheap option ...My insurance on XJ600 was One of the lowest groups Swinton said and will manage 55mpg most times,Parts seem Really cheap and It looks superb in black

Thanks everyone, it's a great feeling to remove the L plates! Rescue remedy was great, cheers Polecat, I'm going to look at a Bandit 600 on Saturday and hopefully do a deal with my YBR, i'll be sad to see it go, its a great bike!

Excellent..... It was sad to see My Ybr go ,If only they had a bit more power and didnt get blown about so much I would have kept mine !

Bandit is a Good choice ...Its a Big leap forwards when you get on a 600 and the Real thrill begins

High speed manouvers - Ring it's neck it second, 125's should hit 50kph in second. (...)

I would advise to check first if your is able to do that. My is not (yeah, I know its chinese) but recently there was a post by someone who was was not able to do that on japanese bike. I have switched to 3rd as I entered between cones, did this long turn around 22mph and accelerated on the exit. Reached 51kph on swerve and 52kph on em stop. If I could do that on my bike you can do it on CG/YBR easily. Well, of course if you doing it on 500 just do it in 2nd Good luck

YBR Fuel injection will not Reach the speed In 2nd you have to Go into 3rd as you exit the bend.

Try it out on your bike on an industrial estate before hand and you will find out