EU... in or out

[Guest]

I wasn't too bothered about being in or out, but after all the mention of what I would take as bullying tactics to get us to stay.

Do we really want to be part of that?

Part of a group that bullies countries into being part of their 'Club'

 

Not sure what you mean.. so off to google.

i tried "brexit bully" and "brexit bullying" and it was all about Obama. and he's an American.. nothing to do with the EU at all.. but apparently he's a bully because after UKIP saying for ages that america will be just fine.. Obama says.. 'think again' he's now a bully.

nothing to be seen about the rest of the eu. so please enlighten me.. and if you can do it without pointing me at a tabloid website I'll be grateful. (I've just eaten)

[Oasis]

I wasn't too bothered about being in or out, but after all the mention of what I would take as bullying tactics to get us to stay.

Do we really want to be part of that?

Part of a group that bullies countries into being part of their 'Club'

 

Not sure what you mean.. so off to google.

i tried "brexit bully" and "brexit bullying" and it was all about Obama. and he's an American.. nothing to do with the EU at all.. but apparently he's a bully because after UKIP saying for ages that america will be just fine.. Obama says.. 'think again' he's now a bully.

nothing to be seen about the rest of the eu. so please enlighten me.. and if you can do it without pointing me at a tabloid website I'll be grateful. (I've just eaten)

 

The reason Obama is being classed as a bully is due to the trade deal between the USA and the EU. That's the reason he has been in Europe recently. He is basically saying that if the uk leaves the eu we will be at the bottom of the list on the trade deal. Although from what I can gather picking through all the bullshit out there, his main interest is with a trade deal with Germany.

[Guest]

I thought he meant some other country or group of countries.. not america.

seems reasonable to me that america wont view us as much of a priority from the trade point of view.. on the one hand we dont make much 'stuff' anymore. we buy it all from china... and on the other we will no longer be a part of a group that represents 20% of the world economy.

[Six30]

I wasn't too bothered about being in or out, but after all the mention of what I would take as bullying tactics to get us to stay.

Do we really want to be part of that?

Part of a group that bullies countries into being part of their 'Club'

 

Not sure what you mean.. so off to google.

i tried "brexit bully" and "brexit bullying" and it was all about Obama. and he's an American.. nothing to do with the EU at all.. but apparently he's a bully because after UKIP saying for ages that america will be just fine.. Obama says.. 'think again' he's now a bully.

nothing to be seen about the rest of the eu. so please enlighten me.. and if you can do it without pointing me at a tabloid website I'll be grateful. (I've just eaten)

 

Yeh no tabloids ..just google it you ll finds loads of scare mongering and bully tactics there as well.

Obamas father was Kenyan and he has written extensively on the evils of British colonisation in Africa..it's seems the British like Obama but he is not very fond of us .

[Guest]

Obamas father was Kenyan and he has written extensively on the evils of British colonisation in Africa..it's seems the British like Obama but he is not very fond of us .

 

you'll be trying to convince me he's black next with a muslim middle name.

so, obviously....

[Guest]

I wasn't too bothered about being in or out, but after all the mention of what I would take as bullying tactics to get us to stay.

Do we really want to be part of that?

Part of a group that bullies countries into being part of their 'Club'

 

Not sure what you mean.. so off to google.

i tried "brexit bully" and "brexit bullying" and it was all about Obama. and he's an American.. nothing to do with the EU at all.. but apparently he's a bully because after UKIP saying for ages that america will be just fine.. Obama says.. 'think again' he's now a bully.

nothing to be seen about the rest of the eu. so please enlighten me.. and if you can do it without pointing me at a tabloid website I'll be grateful. (I've just eaten)

 

I read various sources and pick things up, but the majority of sources say similar things: We leave, trade will be stopped, delayed etc... being used as what sound like threats to keep us in. Ok the sources may not be 100 credible but even Obama is making similar comments.

I just feel we should be allowed to make a decision as a country on our own and be supported by the so called allies/friends that other countries claim to be.

[Guest]

I read various sources and pick things up, but the majority of sources say similar things: We leave, trade will be stopped, delayed etc... being used as what sound like threats to keep us in. Ok the sources may not be 100 credible but even Obama is making similar comments.

 

well.. yes. right now we're a part of the second largest economy in the world.. and America is the third largest economy in the world.

and theres a strong belief in the world outside Europe that we're about to cause havoc.

and you think this is none of Americas business? seriously?

[Guest]

I read various sources and pick things up, but the majority of sources say similar things: We leave, trade will be stopped, delayed etc... being used as what sound like threats to keep us in. Ok the sources may not be 100 credible but even Obama is making similar comments.

 

well.. yes. right now we're a part of the second largest economy in the world.. and America is the third largest economy in the world.

and theres a strong belief in the world outside Europe that we're about to cause havoc.

and you think this is none of Americas business? seriously?

 

I'm not saying it's not their business. I just don't agree with the approach that is being taken, there is no need to create an animosity between us and them.

Yes, the input of the rest of the EU and America is welcome but I don't think the way they are broaching the situation is the correct way. They can weigh up the pros and cons without the need for saying "you go to the bottom of our list if you leave".

Would you not rather we remain in the EU under our own free will as opposed to being pushed into it?

[Six30]

When do Yanks ever say queue, the say back of the line, his speech was obviously scripted for him...

Shorty probably wrote it.

[Guest]

I'm not saying it's not their business. I just don't agree with the approach that is being taken, there is no need to create an animosity between us and them.

Yes, the input of the rest of the EU and America is welcome but I don't think the way they are broaching the situation is the correct way. They can weigh up the pros and cons without the need for saying "you go to the bottom of our list if you leave".

Would you not rather we remain in the EU under our own free will as opposed to being pushed into it?

 

I'm not sure anyone is being pushed.. though thats a narrative the 'leave' campaign want to see. it makes people angry.. and the campaign thrives on anger.

The leave campaign has said over and over again that everything will be wonderful.. no problem at all. fantastic. and then they completely freak out when anyone says.. "not so fast, it might not be so nice for you"

will people care what the president of the USA said.. probably not. most probably dont remember, even if they actually watched the press conference. but.. these lovely little key words like... 'bully' tend to hang around.. which is why it became the word of the day. used over and over again.

 

When do Yanks ever say queue, the say back of the line, his speech was obviously scripted for him.

 

well spotted. presidents as a rule have speech writers and these people tend to use the local idioms.. its generally useful.. if you're going to say something important - that the people listening understand your every word.

[Throttled]

Based on the discussion here, I registered to vote in the EU election and got a nice letter back saying I did not need to as I am already registered to vote. So it is one register for all elections and referendums.

[MarkW]

presidents as a rule have speech writers and these people tend to use the local idioms.. its generally useful.. if you're going to say something important - that the people listening understand your every word.

A very good point. I gave a corporate presentation to a conference in California a few weeks ago saying that instead of the one-size-fits-all approach taken by our competitors, our lab treats every test item as unique and designs the studies accordingly. Loads of delegates came up to me afterwards and said "Great presentation, but what the hell does 'bespoke' mean?"

[Beeboy1979]

It really comes down to whether or not you want an elected and removable government idiot or an unelected and non removable Eurocrat idiot dipping his hand in your pocket and stealing all your hard earned cash.

I am out because I do not want a United States of Europe. Anyone staying in, has to realise that this is the end goal and be willing to accept it.

[Guest]

It really comes down to whether or not you want an elected and removable government idiot or an unelected and non removable Eurocrat idiot .

 

This in a nutshell is what you are voting for. We have 73 MEP's and I couldn't tell you one of their names. Says it all really.

In fact i have just checked and we have 73 out of grand total of 751.

Edited April 29, 2016 by Anonymous

[Guest]

We have 73 MEP's and I couldn't tell you one of their names. Says it all really.

 

I cant let you get away with this... I laughed out loud. and to be honest this thread hasnt exactly been all that amusing. but this just does it.

Its nobodies fault but your own if you're not paying attention... or aren't engaged with the political process. Though looking at your part in this discussion you seem to be very much engaged.. so theres something of a disconnect. You're very much against... but yet you dont know even one MEP by name. You dont know Nigel Farage?

really?

I think its fascinating that you don't even know the name of your own MEP either - even though the MEP local to Leicester represents UKIP.

Its not like he's new to the job.. he's been doing it for 17years.

Roger Helmer. Noted rape apologist. A man who is even nastier than Farage.. and so not exactly a stranger to the News.

Edited May 2, 2016 by Anonymous

[Guest]

Why would him being in Ukip make any difference. You seem under the impression I support Ukip. I have no interest in Ukip. I just don't want to be part of the EU. Nothing to do with Ukip. Not everyone who wants out supports Ukip you know. Oh and now you mention it yes I do know nigde. That's 1 out of 73 I know then.

[Guest]

Oh look .

It seems like most Brits people are not interested in the EU as the numbers turning out to vote just over a 3rd of the voters actually bothering to vote. So the British public has already shown its non interest in this body.

http://www.ukpolitical.info/european-parliament-election-turnout.htm

[Guest]

You seem under the impression I support Ukip.

 

No.

 

I have no interest in Ukip.

 

I on the other hand am very interested in UKIP.. these are after all top of the pile as far as british euro skepticism goes.. even people who say "I dont support them" use their soundbites.. say very much the same thing. so that quite often its difficult to tell them apart.

[Six30]

You seem under the impression I support Ukip.

 

No.

 

I have no interest in Ukip.

 

I on the other hand am very interested in UKIP.. these are after all top of the pile as far as british euro skepticism goes.. even people who say "I dont support them" use their soundbites.. say very much the same thing. so that quite often its difficult to tell them apart.

 

I thought UKIP supporters all had skinheads wore air war boots and had home made swastika tattoos on thier forehead... Oops sorry that's the Labour Party , nice one Ken .

[Guest]

You seem under the impression I support Ukip.

 

No.

 

I have no interest in Ukip.

 

I on the other hand am very interested in UKIP.. these are after all top of the pile as far as british euro skepticism goes.. even people who say "I dont support them" use their soundbites.. say very much the same thing. so that quite often its difficult to tell them apart.

 

I thought UKIP supporters all had skinheads wore air war boots and had home made swastika tattoos on thier forehead... Oops sorry that's the Labour Party , nice one Ken .

My Facebook page had been full of Labour loving Corbyn arse lickers for weeks. But they have gone very quiet this week.

[Six30]

No.

I on the other hand am very interested in UKIP.. these are after all top of the pile as far as british euro skepticism goes.. even people who say "I dont support them" use their soundbites.. say very much the same thing. so that quite often its difficult to tell them apart.

 

I thought UKIP supporters all had skinheads wore air war boots and had home made swastika tattoos on thier forehead... Oops sorry that's the Labour Party , nice one Ken .

My Facebook page had been full of Labour loving Corbyn arse lickers for weeks. But they have gone very quiet this week.

 

The Labour Party ..... Comedy Gold

[Guest]

I have no love of any party. They are all as bad as each other. But at least we can vote them out unlike the EU

[MarkW]

Insofar as I have any political leanings I guess I'm slightly left of centre, but I'm with Martin Amis when it comes to Jeremy Corbyn: the man is simply far too stupid and slow-witted to be the Prime Minister. Two E grades at A level and an aborted attempt at a degree in trade union studies at North London Poly are not really the stuff British PMs should be made of, and whilst some people with similarly poor academic records have gone on to excel - Richard Branson being a good example - they have had some spark of drive, ambition or aptitude that Corbyn simply doesn't possess, as evidenced by his subsequent 30 years of low-level socialist buffoonery. He embodies the political sophistication of a 1970s student common room, and with a leadership that is remarkable only insofar as all his enemies are in his own party his support seems to come primarily from people who don't remember this claptrap the last time round, or who think merely not being a Tory is sufficient qualification for the job.

[Guest]

why is he important.. he's just a temporary blip. no doubt long gone by the time the next election comes around. The only possible way he could get into power is if theres a 'stay' vote.. and then the Tories promptly implode. That seems unlikely.

what seems more likely to me is that we will leave.. Cameron will be so wounded he'll go and Osborne - both pensioned off to the House of Lords to enjoy their millions and snipe at their replacement.. and we'll have Boris presiding over the unfolding disaster.

deep joy.

[MarkW]

What made me despair was the number of my friends who thought Corbyn was the saviour of the Labour party, and the brutal realisation that you've badly misjudged them. It's like discovering that they put sugar in their tea or don't hold their knife properly - you know you'll never be able to look at them the same way again.