Guest Posted July 10, 2009 Posted July 10, 2009 Daren't ask Frankie I did bring this up before he started on the bike though. Knowing how long this could take. He did say he wouldn't let the bill run away.TBH he's got a reasonable set up, and seems a reasonable guy. Just ...... well ....FFS!!! Quote
Pete Posted July 10, 2009 Posted July 10, 2009 I suppose if you ask how much it is and it's steep then you have a get out clause to say "that's too much fatty, you said you wouldn't let it get away so here's your cake money, I'm going to Honda..." Quote
Guest Posted July 10, 2009 Posted July 10, 2009 there is that....I was at Honda about a fortnight ago for something else, and they couldn't book the bike in for like 3 weeks.... so I'm better off where it is I think....time will tell.... Quote
Anthony Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 Well starting from the obvious, there is something on the bike that isnt running <<As bikes are small you aren't going to have to look far, start from basics, how does the engine run? its needs fuel, compression and a spark, are these present???Then what will stop your bike from running when you first go to use it, kill switch, side stand, clutch lever, check these, are these working properly??Now if all these are in the right working order then your bike will run, however I doubt they are as it would be running by now, so if I were you I'd start from the top of my list and work down, the main bit is if the engine is getting the three correct elements then it will start, use a manual to determine the correct compression figures and check if the plugs are wet when it wont start, this will determine that fuel is getting in the right place, then place your hand on each plug when its out and turn it over, only for a second, this will tell you if the engine is getting a spark. Then if its a fuel injected model it could be a case of compression, try a compression test, Halfords do a simple gauge that will help If any of the following isnt right then look in the haynes manual and use the problem bit at the back to sort it out Hope this helps If there is no spark my bet is on the pulse generator coilsRegards Anthony Quote
Pete Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 If there is no spark my bet is on the pulse generator coils Or a multitude of other things electrical I think if I were you Dan I would have done the same thing - try to fix it then just get it looked at by "an electrics expert/electrician" - after all there's a balance between spending time doing it yourself and then just paying someone to do it quickly! Have you heard anything back yet btw? Quote
Guest Posted July 12, 2009 Posted July 12, 2009 Not as yet Pete,I have done the things Anthony suggested except the compression test. Considering it was working fine then didn't... it suggests an electrical problem.I managed to get a code out of the ECU which told me it was a fault with the pulse cam generator. If this tested fine (it did) it suggests a short in the wiring loom. After 12 hours of my time, it was at this point I decided it was time to send it to bike hospital..... Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 keep us posted dude... hope you get it sorted soon Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 So do I...Can't have you running away with the mileage now can I Quote
Guest Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Well it ain't cheap m8. Used ones are retailing at a ton... in the states I've not given up yet though. Mechanic blokey says he knows of a place that can test/repair them. Will be getting me a quote tomorrow.In the meantime I can source other info and such like. Once I know what it is, I can fix it myself. Quote
Guest akey Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Dont forget that the HISS system uses the ECU as well I think so you may need to get the keys repprogrammed.Sorry buddy. Quote
Guest Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Yep am aware of that mate. Thanks though.Personally, I am not convinced it is the ECU. If the ECU was buggered, how did I manage to get a fault code from it. If the Haynes is to be believed, a faulty ECU results in a solid red light on the dash. I managed to get a code......As it stands, the grease monkey is coming back with a price for someone to test the ECU to establish whether or not it is shot. To be fair to him he was quite helpful on the phone. But saying that, think I'll be bringing it back. See what tomorrow brings.. Quote
TC Posted July 14, 2009 Posted July 14, 2009 Ouch !!!!!!!!!!!Good luck with it Dan, cant you just swop it with the wifes Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 Hmmm assuming the ECU is deffo dead.... If i source another and the keys from a bike being broken... should this work?? Logic says it should... Obviously because of the H.I.S.S. i need the keys ...Oh and the bike is coming back. Either tonight or tomorrow... all in a £166.00 round trip. This is the trouble with electrical problems... you still have to pay for the time even if it isn't fixed .. Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 cant you get the keys recoded?if you get another set of keys wouldn't you need the ignition barrel and tank cap/seat lock, due to the cut of the keys..or could you get the chip inside your key remapped to the new HISS.. does this even need doing for an ECU, as the HISS and key talk to each other, agree that they are ok and should be together and invite the ECU to the party... therefore does it matter the ECU is from another bike..sorry for the playschool analogy, but you get my drift Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 I do get your drift ... had completely forgotten about the barrel ...Yeah should be able to reprogram keys to new ECU, currently cogitating on the problem... hence the question ... needed the feedback to kickstart the old grey mattter. Cheers again m8 Quote
Guest akey Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 I believe that the HISS system is controlled by the ECU.However I am also led to believe that the US model does not have HISS, so in theory if you got a US ECU then it should work, but think that would need more research before you dive in.Dan I take it the ECU was tested and it is defo faulty not a short? Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 i'm glad i have an old bike..... the cars a minefield of electrics and computers, whereas my bike, a spanner mans toy.. Quote
rennie Posted July 15, 2009 Posted July 15, 2009 have you spoken to David Silver spares?I know mine was an import but they deal with all things honda andhave always been pretty helpful to me Quote
kja.busa Posted July 16, 2009 Posted July 16, 2009 Its unusual for an ECU to go down, have you been running the bike with a weak battery? Do you leave the ignition on for any length of time without starting the bike? As Akey says I reckon a short is more likely. I think you need a second opinion, or is there anyone you know who has the same model as yours so you can try there ECU before you part with anymore money? Quote
Guest akey Posted July 16, 2009 Posted July 16, 2009 have you spoken to David Silver spares?I know mine was an import but they deal with all things honda andhave always been pretty helpful to me David Silvers are very good, always got me bits for my VFR when I had it, and really knowledgable to. Quote
Guest Posted July 16, 2009 Posted July 16, 2009 Thanks for the input peeps. The question was aimed to provoke responses, to see if I missed anything. And you have all mentioned stuff I hadn't thought about. So Thanks again!!David Silver I already use. But not thought of ringing them.ECU has not been tested, This is why I am not convinced. The grease monkey wanted another £50 to test it.... hence I paid him off and requested my bike back. I can take the bloody ECU out to get it tested myself... ffs !! The US versions do not use HISS, you are correct there Akey. But not entirelt sure if one will work on an HISS equipped bike?? Not at all happy with the service I have received from this guy. Essentially I feel I am back to square 1...KJA, nope battery is/was perfectly fine. Reading well within normal range (13.5 -14.5 volts). Nope never leave the ignition on for any lenghth of time. All valid points though mate. As it happens, TheWifes cousin is coming down to rally on her 954, so I had already wondered about swapping the ECU's around.... Watch this space Quote
Guest Posted July 16, 2009 Posted July 16, 2009 Ima watching Hope this gets sorted soon, would be right PITA to have to buy a new ECU Quote
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