problem starting 50cc advice

[Guest]

Hi Guys

Totaly new to bikes so hope someone can point me in the right direction.

I got 50cc moped a couple of months back now

but as I have never really rode bikes plus the poor weather

I wanted to get a few lessons before taking it out,

anyhow after about 5 weeks of it laying up

I took it for a small run about 15 mins

and the next day maybe 20 mins

both times the bike kick started up first time.

that was last week, today I went to take it out

and the thing was dead completly, wouldnt even start with the kick

is this unusual, or would you expect this for the amout of time its been laid

up

even considering I had it running albiet not for long last week.

would a good old battery charge up sort ot

if so could I use my cars 12 volter. or is it not advisable

my main worry is it isnt even kicking over

[bullet5]

It will be 'kicking over' but it wont be firing. I'd have thought personaly that it was just a 'flat' battery. Put on a charger overnight and see what your outcome is More than likely she'll fire up 1st kick again. you can use a 12v car charger, however make sure your battery on your moped IS a 12volt cell and not a 6volt cell 1st. If this dosn't appear to have made any other differance then we can get the technical lot out on your case. Good Luck.

[eastanglianbiker]

if you are using a car battery charger on it do not leave it connected for more than 2 hours without checking it as car chargers run at a much higher amperage than bike battery chargers

[mealexme]

I had a problem with starting a scooter not long ago. Very cold weather can effect a battery, to test the battery, put the lights on and test the horn If they work normally then the battery is fine. If the lights are dull and horn sounds... odd (usually i would do the noise, but its hard to convert to text lol.) then it should still start on kick, or if you did as i did and ran the battery right down, then the kick start wont work either.

Not sure about charging though.

[Guest]

It will be 'kicking over' but it wont be firing. I'd have thought personaly that it was just a 'flat' battery. Put on a charger overnight and see what your outcome is More than likely she'll fire up 1st kick again. you can use a 12v car charger, however make sure your battery on your moped IS a 12volt cell and not a 6volt cell 1st. If this dosn't appear to have made any other differance then we can get the technical lot out on your case. Good Luck.

Great thanks

Is there a way of checking wether it is 6v or 12v

I have not had a good look,

but know there is a very dishelveld piece of paper attached to the Battey

which I asume would have that info on it

but in case it hasnt, is there another way to tel

thanks for the advice by the way

[Guest]

if you are using a car battery charger on it do not leave it connected for more than 2 hours without checking it as car chargers run at a much higher amperage than bike battery chargers

Yes thanks for that

I am a little worried about using the car charger to be honest

I will heed the warning.

Thanks

[Guest]

I had a problem with starting a scooter not long ago. Very cold weather can effect a battery, to test the battery, put the lights on and test the horn If they work normally then the battery is fine. If the lights are dull and horn sounds... odd (usually i would do the noise, but its hard to convert to text lol.) then it should still start on kick, or if you did as i did and ran the battery right down, then the kick start wont work either.

Not sure about charging though.

Thanks for that

it sounds as if your right

and I drained the life out of it.

I will put it on a half hour charge or so on my car charger tomorrow

and see what that brings

That is what sounds so odd though

It was laid up through all the bad weather we have had

and strated up first time two days running

I try it 3 or 4 days later nad nowt.

Thanks

[Guest]

Thanks for the advice guys

its really appriciated.

[eastanglianbiker]

if you are not sure if bike is 6 volt or 12 volt it is written on the side of the bettery or if you can only see the top of the battery and there are some caps u can see if there are 3 caps =6volt/6caps=12volt

[bullet5]

I'f it's on neither of the places EAB pointed out, get a volt meter across the terminals... if you can't get hold of one of those, so search googly. Someone somewhere will have asked before now. Nothing wrong with car chargers, they do exactly the same job, just do it faster (on average). So as said, keep an eye on it.

[Guest]

if you are not sure if bike is 6 volt or 12 volt it is written on the side of the bettery or if you can only see the top of the battery and there are some caps u can see if there are 3 caps =6volt/6caps=12volt

Brilliant thanks...then its 6 volt

[Guest]

I'f it's on neither of the places EAB pointed out, get a volt meter across the terminals... if you can't get hold of one of those, so search googly. Someone somewhere will have asked before now. Nothing wrong with car chargers, they do exactly the same job, just do it faster (on average). So as said, keep an eye on it.

Thanks will do

[rennie]

If it's 6V you need a 6V charger!

you should NOT!!! use 12V car chargers even on a 12V bike!

they put too many amps in too quickly! and will damage your battery!

some modern chargers have a switch for car/bike, they are ok to use.

The bike should start, with the kick start, even with a really flat battery!

Has it got a clutch? if so you could always bump start it!

[mealexme]

The bike should start, with the kick start, even with a really flat battery!

!

Thats what i used to think when i had a flat battery, but i spoke to my grandad who said that kick starts uses a bit of power from the battery, so i took his word for it as i needed a new battery anyway (old one wouldnt recharge), and a new one it sorted the problem (well untill now, where the cold weather seems to have tried to kill it again)

[sparkeh9]

Thats what i used to think when i had a flat battery, but i spoke to my grandad who said that kick starts uses a bit of power from the battery, so i took his word for it as i needed a new battery anyway (old one wouldnt recharge), and a new one it sorted the problem (well untill now, where the cold weather seems to have tried to kill it again)

 

I doubt that using a kickstart used battery, a kickstart is just a spring recoil starting mechanism, kicking it down winds the spring and is released at the end of the kicking action to turn over the engine, Bikes with no battery use kick starters!

[Danny-B-]

The bike should start, with the kick start, even with a really flat battery!

!

Thats what i used to think when i had a flat battery, but i spoke to my grandad who said that kick starts uses a bit of power from the battery, so i took his word for it as i needed a new battery anyway (old one wouldnt recharge), and a new one it sorted the problem (well untill now, where the cold weather seems to have tried to kill it again)

 

Kickstart wont "use" the battery but the engine or ignition needs enough power to spark ... when your battery is flat as a pancake it doesnt have enough juice to provide a good enough spark ... try removing the battery completely from a healthy bike (with kickstart) it probs wont start at all.

[Guest]

The bike should start, with the kick start, even with a really flat battery!

!

Thats what i used to think when i had a flat battery, but i spoke to my grandad who said that kick starts uses a bit of power from the battery, so i took his word for it as i needed a new battery anyway (old one wouldnt recharge), and a new one it sorted the problem (well untill now, where the cold weather seems to have tried to kill it again)

Thank god you posted that

I thought the problem was worse then

I thought it was strange that a kick wouldnt start it

but thank god for grandads

[Guest]

The bike should start, with the kick start, even with a really flat battery!

!

Thats what i used to think when i had a flat battery, but i spoke to my grandad who said that kick starts uses a bit of power from the battery, so i took his word for it as i needed a new battery anyway (old one wouldnt recharge), and a new one it sorted the problem (well untill now, where the cold weather seems to have tried to kill it again)

 

Kickstart wont "use" the battery but the engine or ignition needs enough power to spark ... when your battery is flat as a pancake it doesnt have enough juice to provide a good enough spark ... try removing the battery completely from a healthy bike (with kickstart) it probs wont start at all.

 

Thanks for that..it makes a lot of sence

[Guest]

I want to thanks all you guys for your input here.

i put the battery on a 40 min charge and it fired up first time

so I expect if I dont use it regular I'm going to have the same problem until I get hold of a new battery.

which will take a little more wearing down I hope.

Thanks for explaining the way it works starting from a kick

I couldnt for the life of me understand why the peddle wouldnt work even though

the battery was dead

and now I know

with a little luck it will keep going for a while

cheers guys

[Guest]

Just an update guys.

I made a search on google and surprised to find after all my worries bout the car charger,

Its actually a bike charger I have been using all these years without realising.

also I found out my battery is a 12v via the handbook.

I am stil;l having problems

I took it for a run the other day

around 2 miles I would say.

a good smooth run no problems

parked up and came back to it after around 10 maybe 15 minutes

and the bugger wouldnt start up

with the kick or the ignition

Got home put it on a few hours charge

by then it was late

so decided to leave it till morning to try it.

it would not strat with the kick

but would wityh the ignition.

I thought I would take it to work for the run

so when I came back out

it would not strat with igntion or kick.

today, I put £2 worth of fuel in it

and it started with the igniton

now the strange thing is.

it is actualy saying full on the fuel gauge

any of you guys give me an idea on this problem

I turned of the bike after getting it started via ignition

and tryed it with the kick

which it started

I thought the kick was supposed to be fail safe to save the battery

thanks for reading guys and bare with me

you know I aint got a clue

[mealexme]

Just an update guys.

I made a search on google and surprised to find after all my worries bout the car charger,

Its actually a bike charger I have been using all these years without realising.

also I found out my battery is a 12v via the handbook.

lol!

 

Just an update guys.

I made a search on google and surprised to find after all my worries bout the car charger,

Its actually a bike charger I have been using all these years without realising.

also I found out my battery is a 12v via the handbook.

I am stil;l having problems

I took it for a run the other day

around 2 miles I would say.

a good smooth run no problems

parked up and came back to it after around 10 maybe 15 minutes

and the bugger wouldnt start up

with the kick or the ignition

Got home put it on a few hours charge

by then it was late

so decided to leave it till morning to try it.

it would not strat with the kick

but would wityh the ignition.

I thought I would take it to work for the run

so when I came back out

it would not strat with igntion or kick.

sounds to me like the battery it is loosing its charge. When that happens, are the lights still bright/does the horn still work, indicators still flash etc? If answer is no, then its def the battery.

Still sounds like a battery problem to me, but that may just be because that is about the only problem i have had with my bike, and the "symptoms" sound very similar.

Before you take my advise, be aware that i dont really know an awful lot about machanics etc so this may not help, but my advise: replace the battery (about £20 i think)

[Guest]

Just an update guys.

I made a search on google and surprised to find after all my worries bout the car charger,

Its actually a bike charger I have been using all these years without realising.

also I found out my battery is a 12v via the handbook.

lol!

 

Just an update guys.

I made a search on google and surprised to find after all my worries bout the car charger,

Its actually a bike charger I have been using all these years without realising.

also I found out my battery is a 12v via the handbook.

I am stil;l having problems

I took it for a run the other day

around 2 miles I would say.

a good smooth run no problems

parked up and came back to it after around 10 maybe 15 minutes

and the bugger wouldnt start up

with the kick or the ignition

Got home put it on a few hours charge

by then it was late

so decided to leave it till morning to try it.

it would not strat with the kick

but would wityh the ignition.

I thought I would take it to work for the run

so when I came back out

it would not strat with igntion or kick.

sounds to me like the battery it is loosing its charge. When that happens, are the lights still bright/does the horn still work, indicators still flash etc? If answer is no, then its def the battery.

Still sounds like a battery problem to me, but that may just be because that is about the only problem i have had with my bike, and the "symptoms" sound very similar.

Before you take my advise, be aware that i dont really know an awful lot about machanics etc so this may not help, but my advise: replace the battery (about £20 i think)

 

No please thanks for the input

any adivce is welcome

I dont have a clue about bikes

I have the battery on charge now and I am going to give it a long charge this time

but as you say, for the sake of 20 quid

it may be worth the try

I just dont want to spend to much on the bike if its trial and error

my main worry is the fact the kick don't work when the battery has been charged

Im wondering if it could just be the engine is cold not be used enough

as I say thanks for replying

if you have had similar problems it could help

[mealexme]

No please thanks for the input

any adivce is welcome

I dont have a clue about bikes

I have the battery on charge now and I am going to give it a long charge this time

but as you say, for the sake of 20 quid

it may be worth the try

I just dont want to spend to much on the bike if its trial and error

my main worry is the fact the kick don't work when the battery has been charged

Im wondering if it could just be the engine is cold not be used enough

as I say thanks for replying

if you have had similar problems it could help

However, it was either the ignition and the kick worked, the kick only worked or nothing worked. I have never had the kick not working but the button starting it.

I know what you mean about the trial and error, because something that just costs £20, plus something that just costs a tenner + plus this and that soon adds up.

Sorry i cant e of any real help mate.

[rennie]

using the kickstart is a knack!

you need to learn your bike!

they all behave differently.

you may need choke and no throttle

you may need both choke and throttle

you may need neither.

A bike behaves differently when cold and warm

so you have to kickstart it differently.

If it started off the battery it really should have

started off the kickstart!

[Danny-B-]

using the kickstart is a knack!

you need to learn your bike!

they all behave differently.

you may need choke and no throttle

you may need both choke and throttle

you may need neither.

A bike behaves differently when cold and warm

so you have to kickstart it differently.

If it started off the battery it really should have

started off the kickstart!

 

Should deffo start from the kick if it started on the button ... If the battery is loosing its charge then it may be that the battery is knackered, but it could also be the regulator/rectifyer ... (the part that charges the battery when the engine is running.)