New improved CBT

[iiisecondcreep]

Consultation: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... er__F_.pdf

"Compulsory basic training (CBT) for learner motorcyclists has remained largely unchanged since its introduction 25 years ago.

We are reviewing the delivery of CBT courses for motorcyclists to help ensure that learner riders are better prepared to ride safely on today’s roads."

As a result of:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... report.pdf

[Guest]

Interesting stuff.

I kind of feel in regards to the theory part, that anyone using a vehicle on the road should have completed a Theory Test.

Both CBT and Theory are valid for 2 years currently and in my opinion BOTH should be necessary before being allowed onto the public highway.

[Throttled]

Er, 64 pages!! Is there a summary???

[Joeman]

Not read it all, but seems to imply that the current CBT is not long enough..

 

We want to ensure that trainees are better prepared to deal with

some of the more challenging situations that they are likely to

encounter on busy urban roads and that they have the skills to cope

with those situations as soon as they begin riding unaccompanied.

We believe this can be achieved by encouraging both trainees and

instructors to recognise that the two hour on road riding element is

the minimum requirement, and not necessarily the default position.

By shifting the emphasis to ensure that trainees have demonstrated

competence to ride unaccompanied we expect both trainees and

instructors will come to realise that the on road riding will often

exceed the minimum two hours required

 

We acknowledge that this may require a culture shift. The public

generally view CBT as a oneday course and many trainers arrange

their business model to deliver CBT on that basis. Trainees needto

ove away from the idea that simply completing a day’s course will

automatically mean that they arefully competent to ride a moped or

small motorcycle unaccompanied. This is particularly relevant for

young riders, very few of whom go on to take a motorcycle test, a

situation that may be an unintended consequence of the

3rdDirectivewhich limits the size and power of machines that

younger riders can ride.

We realise that some trainees are resistant to the idea of extending

the course beyond a single day. Changing trainees’ expectations

may help instructors to offer more choice of charging options with

additional fees for further short sessions rather than a fixed rate per

course. It is important to help trainees understand the risks they

face as new riders and how getting the right training, even if it costs

more, will help them to be safer on the road.

 

So don't be surprised if CBT's get extended to be a multi day course.. .maybe CBT-A and CBT-B ??

[al_stu]

Finally!!! Those morons on twist n go's who've never driven before getting a license after 2 hours - less at the right centre - it's insane. About bloody time the 16 yr olds did some proper training.

Makes no odds to das people as you would have had to get a fwe days of experience anyway, just means a bit longer on the 125 first. I did an extra day after cbt at instructors suggestion and it made me a lot happier when we went to the 500s

[igingeee]

Another reason for me to go for my A2 as opposed to falling back on what's easy and taking another one days training course.

I had about a three-four month gap between taking my CBT and riding 10 miles home on my own from the dealership, it all came back to me but I had to be pretty ballsy to cope with major A roads and routes into the city centre, thankfully it was quiet and I had room to make mistakes.. god knows what I looked like on that first ride home or what my lane domination, gear shifts etc where like.. but four months on I'd personally say that throwing myself in the deep end and commuting in all weathers, times of day and traffic has increased my ability to improve as a rider as opposed to keeping it indoors and taking the bus etc.

I do however think that the CBT is a quick way of some training schools making quite a bit of money, I've watched videos on youtube in horror of the training provided and questioned the legitimacy of a piece of paper issued by a middle aged man in a tracksuit in some random car-park.

As it stands IMO the CBT is not sufficient to teach new and young riders (especially) how to control a bike in a safe manor on the roads, like I said for me I threw myself into the deep end with as much confidence as possible however don't feel that everyone could learn this way.

It wouldn't go a miss to have the training provided by a school and then a test to gain the CBT, a more serious approach as opposed to anyone tom dick and harry approach to putting people on the roads wouldn't go a miss, I think when I take my A2 Module 1 (hopefully soon) it might be a bit of a culture shock as to how serious it all is as opposed to my CBT.

My work mates couldn't believe that at the start of the day I had never ever touched a bike before and then by the end of it had a license to go out on the roads providing I had the money.

[Joeman]

at 16 years old you are perfectly free to ride a pushbike on the road without any training. you take a CBT and you can then ride a slightly faster moped. do 16 year old's really need more than the current CBT?

Or is the problem with older people taking a CBT and jumping onto a (faster than a moped) 125cc bike?

Back when i took my CBT, i did the CBT on the saturday and was riding my 50cc bike to school the following monday.

nobody ever considered i needed more training...

[BigShot]

More time.

More money.

More barriers to entry.

More rules from a political system that would rather motorbikes just ceased to exist.

[NeilM]

I think a hell of a lot of us on here first time around had no training at all.

I bought an AR125 at 17 yrs old. My dad rode it home for me, stuck some l plates on and that was me.

Looking back you think jesus! !!

[Psychybikey]

More time.

More money.

More barriers to entry.

More rules from a political system that would rather motorbikes just ceased to exist.

 

This is more or less what my husband says - the rules are made up by some Eurocrats sitting in an office somewhere who've maybe never even ridden a bike. I DO agree that the CBT is currently insufficient for the majority of young riders - I have said before that it is quite ludicrous that a teenager can get on a bike with no experience at lunchtime and be allowed out and about everywhere except motorways later that same day.

It is usually but not always the case that older learners have more sense and probably more road experience, too, certainly if they are car drivers already. In that sense I wish it wasn't such a lengthy and expensive process to take it further. But I certainly needed more than one day to do my CBT, as many of you will know.

[Edd]

I think it's to do with the mindset as much as anything, yes there are lots of little idiots tearing up town centres on twist n' go's...but there are just as many little idiots in chav'd up hatchbacks doing the same thing..and they've completed theory, hazard perception and practical tests!

[Mr Fro]

...I certainly needed more than one day to do my CBT, as many of you will know.

And there we are. You needed more training so that's what you got.

Plenty of EU countries don't have any training, insurance or anything when it comes to scootipuffs. They are seen for what they are - slightly faster and more lazy forms of transport than a bicycle. Let's face it, it's entirely possible to do 30+mph on a cycle so what's the difference? At least with the current CBT there is an input on highway code and roadsense - how many cyclists did the cycling proficiency or remember anything from when they did it age 8?

I know some people complain about not being shown how to handle every conceivable motorcycle based scenario (e.g. the recent hill start thread) but it is Compulsory Basic Training.

I think the key is that a decision should be made to either give people one shot at CBT i.e. just 2 years worth and then they have to do a proper test or say that it doesn't expire as the number of people who redo it time after time, staying on L-plates is a joke.

[Psychybikey]

the number of people who redo it time after time, staying on L-plates is a joke.

 

My brother in law, who is a traffic warden, was talking to just such a person a few weeks ago. A middle-aged woman, so he was about to say well done for learning now, just like my sister in law - and she said O no, I just do my CBT every two years!

1. I can't understand how anybody would want to be permanently on Ls, even if they didn't want a big bike

2. The CBT was stressful enough - why not do your bike test and get it over with once and for all?

[Edd]

the number of people who redo it time after time, staying on L-plates is a joke.

 

My brother in law, who is a traffic warden, was talking to just such a person a few weeks ago. A middle-aged woman, so he was about to say well done for learning now, just like my sister in law - and she said O no, I just do my CBT every two years!

1. I can't understand how anybody would want to be permanently on Ls, even if they didn't want a big bike

2. The CBT was stressful enough - why not do your bike test and get it over with once and for all?

Cost probably plays quite a big part, £80 for a CBT vs £450+ for DAS, assuming they want a bigger bike. (thats what mine cost anyway!)

[Jnestie]

I did my cbt twice before deciding to take my das. In my opinion the cbt alone doesn't give enough knowledge for new riders. I had previous experience from driving cars so Knew the rules of the road/Highway Code. Some new riders who take the cbt have no idea what's going on. More training can only be a good thing.