fq-craigus Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 Dressing in a sharp suit doesnt make you respectable, he may have no life aspirations and work in a chicken shop for all we know. I have known many like him over the years growing up in luton, rental cars for the weekend tearing around residential areas with no reguard for anyone but themselves and this is what this guy has done and this time its bit him in the arse. 80 through a red light very rarely ends well and he deserves the harsh lesson of the cps. No speeding doesnt make you a hardenened criminal just irrisponsible and yes we all do it myself included but theres a time and place. Quote
Guest Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 Execution.It's the only way to be certain he doesn't do it again. Quote
Phooey Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 Execution.It's the only way to be certain he doesn't do it again. A bit drastic! Maybe hung by the neck until very very sorry. Quote
Tankbag Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 I'd be interested to know what other Countries hand out in similar circumstances [emoji288] Quote
Fozzie Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 I reckon 6 years, but a real 6 years... Not out in 3.Problem now is, I want him to have a life long driving ban. But most people need cars to get to work or to work full stop.So he would likely become another benefit scrounger due to not being able to drive.So do we take away his quality of life by banning him from driving indefinitely, with the compromise being we then pay for him to get by.Or do we allow him to drive again, knowing that he could be of some use to society?In all honesty, I'd want a new type of ban to be enforced on some of these drivers. No car beyond a certain power output... He can drive a 1-1.5 litre for the rest of his life. You give a family a life sentence, you can lose a major part of your quality of life.That would fit the bill to me! Quote
RantMachine Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Bollocks to that, a 1 litre can still kill someone if the driver is enough of a twat. Limit him to 50cc and public transport. That'll get him to and from any job, he just has to choose between looking like a twat or paying over the odds. Quote
Fozzie Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 "Enough of a twat" is a key term there. As enough of a twat could ride a ped into a pedestrian, it happened near to where I live and killed an elderly man. And another killed himself riding like a twat. Swap out the high powered car for a 1 litre peugeot 108. It won't handle, accelerate, or crash into things with the same effect. It weights half as much so it likely wouldn't have torn the victims car in half, and it can't accelerate as well so it's unlikely he could have been doing 80. But he can still use motorways to get to work, and therefore he has no excuse to moan about anything. Everyone will have different lines that need to be crossed. Some would see just his speeding as enough to ban him for life. So I'd argue there has to be a compromise.He lived, his victim didn't. No punishment will be universally accepted as there's so many views. As you can't kill him, you've got to make him useful instead is my thought. Plus if, heaven forbid he ever breed, he'd need a car as a ped would not be suitable. Quote
RantMachine Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 In my mind, a punishment shouldn't be made to be considerate of his future employment or family planning. After all, he may not have been driving with the intention of killing someone, but he was certainly driving in a way that didn't make consideration for others. If he gets a job in another town, he can get the train. If he gets a job in the same town, he can cycle. If the kind of job he wants necessitates having his own means of transport, tough luck - I hear McDonalds are hiring. If he has a family, they can all get the train. Karma is a bitch Quote
Chrissb6 Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) 80 in a 30 is Russian roulette, pity it wasn't him that was killed instead of an innocent bystander. Anyone who thinks 6yrs sentence is enough for his crime surely would not think the same if it was someone close and dear to them that was the victim. Edited June 2, 2015 by Chrissb6 Quote
Fozzie Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 In my mind, a punishment shouldn't be made to be considerate of his future employment or family planning. After all, he may not have been driving with the intention of killing someone, but he was certainly driving in a way that didn't make consideration for others. If he gets a job in another town, he can get the train. If he gets a job in the same town, he can cycle. If the kind of job he wants necessitates having his own means of transport, tough luck - I hear McDonalds are hiring. If he has a family, they can all get the train. Karma is a bitch In my view he should be marched off a cliff, with copious amounts of popcorn for the family of the deceased. That's my actual view point. But as it's not allowed I accept there is no right way of handling this for everyone. Or at least do a good few more years hard jail time. What I suggest is more realistic in what can work in the world, not what *should*.One thing I strongly disagree with there is saying his family should all get the train if he should have kids later in life. Now we're punishing the family for his wrongs. And at that point, karma isn't being the bitch there.It doesn't get any better when you note that we would be intentionally doing this to them, whereas his was unintentional. Even though his acts are far worse, you don't correct anything by punishing those around him as well.Prison has taken away his employability, and my idea would then strip him of his greatest joy if life. So the big question is, you've taken this mans employability, and his greatest joy. Why go further? Quote
Mr Fro Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 One thing I strongly disagree with there is saying his family should all get the train if he should have kids later in life. Now we're punishing the family for his wrongs. And at that point, karma isn't being the bitch there.But... What are the chances of him having children in the future with someone of sound mind?Imagine the post-date conversation...Her: "So... are you going to drive me home (wink-wink)."Him: "I would but I can't drive."Her: "Shame, I'd really like you to take me home."Him: "Yeah, well, sorry - we can get the bus if you like."Her: "Hmm... Why can't you drive?"Him: "My license got taken away."Her: "Why's that?"Him: "I was seriously taking the piss speeding one night, smashed in to some bloke and killed him stone dead."Her: "...I think I'll walk. Bye."For me, there's a yawning chasm of a gap between accidentally killing someone i.e. a pedestrian jumps out from between some parked cars and gets flattened (nothing could be done, not speeding etc) and doing something recklessly so as to cause somebody's death such as he was doing. There's also a difference between that and intentionally killing someone as the murderer goes out with the intention of killing someone. I think this guy was worse -it seems like he was swanning about like Johnny big bollocks in the full knowledge that he could have killed someone but not giving a shit.This bloke has been a dick by driving in the way he did - probably for ages before this happened too. It's such a blasé, self centred, twattish thing to do and typifies the attitude of too many people. I bet his mum is telling him it's not his fault and the courts shouldn't have been so harsh on him.Maybe karma will make him drop the soap at shower time. Quote
Fozzie Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 But... What are the chances of him having children in the future with someone of sound mind?Maybe karma will make him drop the soap at shower time. True, but a lot of variables there. If he confessed and seemed remorseful, I can imagine *someone* would still have him. Or he could just lie about why he can't drive anything bigger than a 1 litre.But yes! Hopefully by the time he's out, you wouldn't know a fart from a yawn with this guy Quote
Mr Fro Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Hopefully by the time he's out, you wouldn't know a fart from a yawn with this guyUn-be-f**king-lievable! I could argue the toss but this is an absolute blinder! Hats off dear chum, hats off. Quote
OhJay Posted June 2, 2015 Posted June 2, 2015 So the big question is, you've taken this mans employability, and his greatest joy. Why go further? To play Devil's advocate: arguably you haven't taken away his greatest joy even if you did ban him from driving for life. There is nothing physically stopping him getting in a car and driving again and from his current driving record there was not a single s*** given there so why should he give one about not having a licence? Quote
RantMachine Posted June 2, 2015 Posted June 2, 2015 That settles it then, take a blowtorch and stick his hands together. Only way to be sure! Quote
Fozzie Posted June 2, 2015 Posted June 2, 2015 Hopefully by the time he's out, you wouldn't know a fart from a yawn with this guyUn-be-f**king-lievable! I could argue the toss but this is an absolute blinder! Hats off dear chum, hats off. Inspired by the shawshank redemption I think To play Devil's advocate: arguably you haven't taken away his greatest joy even if you did ban him from driving for life. There is nothing physically stopping him getting in a car and driving again and from his current driving record there was not a single s*** given there so why should he give one about not having a licence? I don't want to ban him as such for life for reasons previously mentioned. His joy seems to be in high powered, fast cars. Simple option is to take away his chances of ever owning/renting one again, while still allowing him the functional usage of one. Which is why I suggest a 1 litre, or 75BHP cap.I get the thinking obviously, and revenge will seem adequate when delivered hard and harshly. But I prefer to let it take its time rather than just deliver it on a plate in one go. He will get used to having the train, some people go their whole lives without buying a car. Rather, let him have access to a little car... Firstly he will realise every year of road tax, and every drop of fuel that's taxed is an expenditure he will have to pay on something he hates. He will have a taste of what he once had but a low powered shell of it, and he'll not be able to do a damn thing about it... It's probably as bad as owning a Chinese bike. But he can't do anything about it, as it was his mistake that got him there.But no one likes the long game I suspect people would rather superglue his hands and feet together and push him into 18 inches of water mind Quote
techno Posted June 2, 2015 Posted June 2, 2015 Just read through this it said in the paper he had no licence or insurance and it was a hire car if so who handed him his "weapon" of choice? Quote
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