Kick stand

[Andyb]

Hello all.

New here and new owner of a xjr1300.  

Just had the bike jacked up and I'm a little troubled with the sorry side stand that's fitted on it as the bike is now leaning a lot more (making me nervous,)

Question is.. is there another side stand that would fit on on the XJR? Maybe off another make of bike? Something that a little longer so it sits a little more upright?

 

Cheers all and hello again 

[husoi]

Hi @Andyb welcome to the forum.

Can you post some pics to check if the leaning is the normal one?

Not unusual for the big bikes to lean what it will seem too much, you have to keep in mind that they are heavier bikes and the angle is similar to other bikes, just the weight is different.

I know exactly what you mean, my ST1300 does exactly the same.

Keep in mind side stand on that type of bike should be seen as temporary and the centre stand be the norm.

[Simon Davey]

Welcome to the forum @Andyb

 

Maybe you could have a look at local industry, you'd be surprised at how many places would be happy to weld on an extra inch to your kick stand. 

 

I once had a tractor wheel welded by a company that makes sweeper machines... 

 

Or, is there room on the ground plate to drill a hole to simply bolt on a rubber block, or something like a door stop.. 

[husoi]

What @Simon Daveysays could be an option as long the stand isn't honda style and made of ductile iron.

Personally I would avoid drilling the base because it will weaken it.

I would rather build something to be braced around the base. After all a few mm will be enough for what you will need.

I would start by placing some thin plywood or something that you know the thickness to confirm how much you need to raise.

[Simon Davey]

1 hour ago, husoi said:

 

I would rather build something to be braced around the base. After all a few mm will be enough for what you will need.

I would start by placing some thin plywood or something that you know the thickness to confirm how much you need to raise.

 

Good idea, I hope he'll actually come back... 

[keith1200rs]

It's quite common for BMW R1200R riders to complain about not enough lean and the simple solution is a local welder. Getting a bit of extra length welded on should be easy. Or a foot extender would add a little extra length 

[jr71]

i have the opposite problem. i lowered my Thunderace and now its near upright on the stand.

[husoi]

Have you heard the saying.

Measure it 10 times and cut it twice because you still got it wrong?

[RideWithStyles]

8 hours ago, jr71 said:

i have the opposite problem. i lowered my Thunderace and now its near upright on the stand.

It will be if you lower it, ud want to fabricate and shorter side stand.

[AstronautNinja]

On 21/06/2024 at 07:42, husoi said:

you have to keep in mind that they are heavier bikes and the angle is similar to other bikes, just the weight is different

Could you elaborate for the new riders here?

 

My bike is circa 220kg for refference reguarding my query

[husoi]

30 minutes ago, AstronautNinja said:

Could you elaborate for the new riders here?

 

My bike is circa 220kg for refference reguarding my query

A 125 would weight about 100kg give or take.

A 500 would be around 150kg to 175kg

My shadow 700 is about 175 while the ST1300 goes 330 dry weight.

The angle the bikes lean on side stand will need to be higher (closer to 90deg) on heavy bikes.

Although some of them, my ST being one, the angle is similar to a lighter bike. Just the stand is stronger to hold the bike.

If you have a heavy bike standing close to the equilibrium range (near vertical) there is the risk of tipping over to the other side if someone leans on it. While picking up a 125 from the ground is an easy task, you can't say the same on a 300kg plus bike hence the side stand appear to lean excessively.

The engineer who design it for sure have allowed for the bike to be supported by that little bar.

As I said, side stand (mostly on big bikes) is meant to be temporary and the bike should go on centre stand for safety reasons.

[AstronautNinja]

8 hours ago, husoi said:

A 125 would weight about 100kg give or take.

A 500 would be around 150kg to 175kg

My shadow 700 is about 175 while the ST1300 goes 330 dry weight.

The angle the bikes lean on side stand will need to be higher (closer to 90deg) on heavy bikes.

Although some of them, my ST being one, the angle is similar to a lighter bike. Just the stand is stronger to hold the bike.

If you have a heavy bike standing close to the equilibrium range (near vertical) there is the risk of tipping over to the other side if someone leans on it. While picking up a 125 from the ground is an easy task, you can't say the same on a 300kg plus bike hence the side stand appear to lean excessively.

The engineer who design it for sure have allowed for the bike to be supported by that little bar.

As I said, side stand (mostly on big bikes) is meant to be temporary and the bike should go on centre stand for safety reasons.

Is it sensible to use the center stand whilst out and about then? I do have both and getting the bike on the center stand only seems to take a moments more effort

[RideWithStyles]

I personally view centre stands at best as a service tool for doing chain, wheel, brakes, plugs, oil etc but just to be parked up the side stand is just easier and safe.

just like anything a well designed one for the bike is good (depending on the bikes CM and weight distribution) but can still topple over on a centre stand, ive seen that before but difference is it can topple easily in more directions.

[husoi]

IAM and other advanced motoring organisations advise that the side stand is to be used temporarily to allow safe mount and dismount then the bike is to go on centre stand.

This if there is one obviously.

Personally and because my bikes are on the heavier side so normally I will use the centre stand.

[Nick the wanderer]

I've been racking my brain trying to remember a bike I've had that had a centre stand, I can defo remember them but it must have been back in the early 1980's. Probably a 400/4 or something similar.

Doesn't look like the OP ever came back to find out.