Honda HISS - does it work?

[ApolloMozart]

I am wondering if the HISS immobiliser is actually doing anything at all to protect our Honda bikes. 

 

My CBR650F was stolen (without key) and the police found it being ridden by some scum. Si they managed to start it up without the programmed key. 
 

Just now I’ve seen another forum member mentioned his Honda was stolen, the wires ripped and the bike used to drive some hundred miles. So again, they’ve found a way to start it up without key. 
 

So it begs the question what does Honda’s HISS system actually do to protect the bike? My understanding was that without the programmed key the bike will not start. But it seems so somehow the thieves know how to start it without the key, and the HISS thing does nothing to prevent it. 
 

I am angry that a company like Honda does not do more about this. 

[AstronautNinja]

Unfortunately since searching for various bike security items Instagram now shows me the accounts of the thieving little ar*eholes stealing bikes daily. 

 

It seems the vast majority that get stolen weren't chained to the ground. Obviously high level bikes would attract the guys not fazed by such devices but the estate kids are clearly able to steal / hot wire pretty much anything almost immediately. 

 

It would appear approaches such as HISS are close to pointless due to so much of the harness being so easily accessible. This is based on the videos I'm now shown daily rather than any technical knowledge mind you. 

[AstronautNinja]

Similar to not having to be able to our run a lion, just the other bloke, bike security is mainly not being the easy target / more of a ball ache than they can be bothered with for in many cases is parts or a nights fun. 

[ApolloMozart]

Yes, security is more than just relying on immobiliser, but what is the point of having the HISS system if it does not help? It should be no key - no ignition. 
 

But somehow this is not the case. Do the thieves have some kit that they use to easily bypass the immobiliser? Or there is a magic wire that you need to cut?

[husoi]

Are you aware of thieves going around with remote readers that will duplicate a fob inside the house and will get away with the car?

 

That sort of people will be able to take anything they set their mind on just because they can.

[AstronautNinja]

19 minutes ago, husoi said:

Are you aware of thieves going around with remote readers that will duplicate a fob inside the house and will get away with the car?

 

That sort of people will be able to take anything they set their mind on just because they can.

The very unfortunate downside of keyless entry

[V650]

15 minutes ago, husoi said:

Are you aware of thieves going around with remote readers that will duplicate a fob inside the house and will get away with the car?

 

That sort of people will be able to take anything they set their mind on just because they can.

Yeah it is pretty Sh1t 

technology seems to be making it easier for theives 

But in all honesty at least they don't have to come in to the house to rob the keys to your prize motor 

Some people just never get over the experience of someone breaking in to their house & will never feel safe again

[bud]

Unfortunately no security is 100% safe. There is always a work around. When the HISS system first came out, it was state of the art security. But that was decades ago.

Advanced in technology make it easier than ever to take vehicles. The criminal element will always find a way to use technology to their advantage. That's why the new high powered battery angle grinders make it easy to cut chains off in seconds. And things like disc locks don't deter them. They just cut the disc either side of the lock.

[AstronautNinja]

10 hours ago, bud said:

Unfortunately no security is 100% safe. There is always a work around. When the HISS system first came out, it was state of the art security. But that was decades ago.

Advanced in technology make it easier than ever to take vehicles. The criminal element will always find a way to use technology to their advantage. That's why the new high powered battery angle grinders make it easy to cut chains off in seconds. And things like disc locks don't deter them. They just cut the disc either side of the lock.

I've seen one guy using a battery powered fvcking band saw didn't even realise they were a thing 

[RideWithStyles]

If it can be moved it can be nicked easily, Yea every thing done as a security measure is a deterrent.
Honda had done a good job all those years ago but does it need updating…most likely. 

Every system has a weakness or two no matter what, but if you put on another specific item to cover the weakness of that one…go through the lines of immobiliser, chain, tracker, others are just additional finer layers, other than manning it all the time….if they know it and want it after that then.

obviously the less your bothered about damaging the bike or property your nicking the more options you have to acquiring it.

if you damage it to the bill of few hundred to a £12k+ bike that you didn’t pay for its a increased odds of return.

[Shepherd]

Well, without changing the ecu, I couldn't bypass the HISS system on my auction deauville - however much research I did.

Luckily for me, it was a different problem in the end  

[AstronautNinja]

10 hours ago, Shepherd said:

 

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Edited October 21, 2024 by AstronautNinja

[Gerontious]

The only good thing about the HISS on my bike is that it’s accepted as security by the insurers - and it’s the only security I have. But the little flashing LED might work to put off opportunists.

 

my primary security revolves entirely around secrecy and observation.

 

my bike is absolutely never left in front of my house even for a minute. Straight through the gate and out of sight.

And I always have an eye on my mirrors for followers. There are spotters out there on the lookout and these will follow you home so they can identify exactly where the bike is stored.

 

Sadly a lot of bikes that are stolen from home are targeted because either the owner lead them home or it was seen by the wrong person who just happened upon it as they passed by.

 

my own strategy revolves around a very simple idea. If thieves don’t know where a bike is then it’s really quite difficult if not impossible for them to target and steal it.

 

i can’t speak about commuting and parking in town because I don’t really do either.

[Mawsley]

3 hours ago, Gerontious said:

 

my primary security revolves entirely around secrecy and observation.

 

 

Even if that does sound like you hang around in sunglasses and a trench coat 

 

 

 

[bud]

5 hours ago, Gerontious said:

The only good thing about the HISS on my bike is that it’s accepted as security by the insurers - and it’s the only security I have. But the little flashing LED might work to put off opportunists.

 

my primary security revolves entirely around secrecy and observation.

 

my bike is absolutely never left in front of my house even for a minute. Straight through the gate and out of sight.

And I always have an eye on my mirrors for followers. There are spotters out there on the lookout and these will follow you home so they can identify exactly where the bike is stored.

 

Sadly a lot of bikes that are stolen from home are targeted because either the owner lead them home or it was seen by the wrong person who just happened upon it as they passed by.

 

my own strategy revolves around a very simple idea. If thieves don’t know where a bike is then it’s really quite difficult if not impossible for them to target and steal it.

 

i can’t speak about commuting and parking in town because I don’t really do either.

My cousin did The same after having a couple of bikes stolen. They still got his blade from the garage. Even with his car parked in front of it. You can only do so much. But out of sight is The best option.

The latest thing I've heard about is air tags. A couple of people I know have had them fitted to their bikes at some of the bike venues in the south.

[AstronautNinja]

5 minutes ago, bud said:

My cousin did The same after having a couple of bikes stolen. They still got his blade from the garage. Even with his car parked in front of it. You can only do so much. But out of sight is The best option.

The latest thing I've heard about is air tags. A couple of people I know have had them fitted to their bikes at some of the bike venues in the south.

Apple have annoyingly introduced something that alerts iPhones to the presence of air tags to eliminate sneaky use 

[Fozzie]

The HISS can be defeated, yes. Both bikes I've had stolen were both fitted with it, although they were thrown in the back of a van and taken. Both had physical security. Keeping them out of sight isn't an option for those who have bikes as an only means of transport, and locking them down only holds off the opportunists.

 

The big issue is social media has led to opportunists being more able now than ever. There are literal guides on how to bypass all sorts of immobilisers. It's why land rovers are also pretty much uninsurable in parts of London. A mob of criminals have just hoovered them up in big numbers, all with the information on how to do it readily supplied. Organised crime is now a bigger business than ever as social media has no regulation. 

 

I still occasionally use my bike to get around, doing general duties rather than just for fun. So for the time being I have an SV650 as next to no one wants to go through the effort of cutting through the security I have on it. When I go full time fair weather rider, I might treat myself to something more exotic, but in the meantime, I've found no other means of security better than having a bike someone can't be bothered to steal. 

[Gerontious]

6 hours ago, Mawsley said:

 

Even if that does sound like you hang around in sunglasses and a trench coat 

 

 

 

That made me laugh out loud.

 

you have too much time on your hands.

 

but, my strategy has worked. My bike has zero security (aside from the HISS) and hasn’t been touched since I bought it in November 2018. It’s safe and sound at the rear of my house under its cover.

 

i have been followed once - but they weren’t subtle about it and I very quickly became aware. I took them on a bit of a magic mystery tour that ended at Oxclose Lane police station - at which point they scarpered. That was a long time ago, before COVID.

 

it helps that I live on a cul de sac that’s well away from a main road. And so there’s little or no through traffic. And anyone looking over the side gate will see no sign of the bike as it’s round the corner.

 

’Observation’ is just about checking my mirrors when I turn into my road. Fortunately, due to being a tad deformed, I can open the gate without dismounting so I’m out of sight in seconds.

 

you have to think how thieves operate and combat them accordingly. To me that’s just a matter of doing my utmost to prevent them locating it.

[Mawsley]

4 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

 

you have too much time on your hands.

 

By design.

[AstronautNinja]

18 minutes ago, Gerontious said:

That made me laugh out loud.

 

you have too much time on your hands.

 

but, my strategy has worked. My bike has zero security (aside from the HISS) and hasn’t been touched since I bought it in November 2018. It’s safe and sound at the rear of my house under its cover.

 

i have been followed once - but they weren’t subtle about it and I very quickly became aware. I took them on a bit of a magic mystery tour that ended at Oxclose Lane police station - at which point they scarpered. That was a long time ago, before COVID.

 

it helps that I live on a cul de sac that’s well away from a main road. And so there’s little or no through traffic. And anyone looking over the side gate will see no sign of the bike as it’s round the corner.

 

’Observation’ is just about checking my mirrors when I turn into my road. Fortunately, due to being a tad deformed, I can open the gate without dismounting so I’m out of sight in seconds.

 

you have to think how thieves operate and combat them accordingly. To me that’s just a matter of doing my utmost to prevent them locating it.

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Edited October 21, 2024 by AstronautNinja
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[Shepherd]

10 hours ago, Fozzie said:

I've found no other means of security better than having a bike someone can't be bothered to steal. 

My thoughts with the Deauville.

I left the keys hanging out of the top box lock for 3 days, and the beast was still there on my return 

[ApolloMozart]

I guess having a factory immobiliser only helps check a box for insurance, it does not make any difference to determined thieves. I suspect there is some device that can bypass the system and it is not very expensive either. Otherwise stealing cheap bikes won’t be worth it, if you can’t drive them. 
 

Seeing how fast technology evolves I don’t understand why manufacturers don’t do more to deter theft. 

[husoi]

We must not forget that H.I.S.S. system is over 20 years old.

Think what novelty gadgets we had at that time and that we make fun of them now

[RideWithStyles]

11 hours ago, ApolloMozart said:

I guess having a factory immobiliser only helps check a box for insurance, it does not make any difference to determined thieves. I suspect there is some device that can bypass the system and it is not very expensive either. Otherwise stealing cheap bikes won’t be worth it, if you can’t drive them. 
 

Seeing how fast technology evolves I don’t understand why manufacturers don’t do more to deter theft. 

They do….its even easier to steal land rovers , and a little different are engines that more likely to self distrust (bmw cars).

To be honest technology (electronics) of flashiness and lazyness of consumer have driven it to this as just looking at the car world let alone other goods like phones/tv hell even white goods!

 

the wireless connection certainly adds to the risk no matter how many codes they add.

other than to almost core hard lock everything to one Small single issue thing called a key(keys which by design can always be hacked which is why we have locksmiths) similar to immobilisers they have now, that can be easily lost, broken or stolen problem with if you lose that then you instantly don’t have a usable vehicle you paid for and replacements even more horrendously expensive to change which the hiss already is that long ago.
 

When you think about both devices are just keys, a mechanical and electrical one in layering, the only next stages are finger print and face reading like phones have now…. 

bikes are easy picking, less lockable areas (to chain it to), easier to move, not particularly complicated to get at or check, can hide many bike in a small space, most public people hate bikes/ers so they think we’re on the same level of the scumbags so don’t care, strip for parts that don’t need warehouse, bikers need them for parts (even the old shutters), new prices are quite high so used is quite a decent return especially if you didn’t pay for what you sell, very low interest with the cops and courts even if you get caught….

Edited October 23, 2024 by RideWithStyles