Keis Ultra-flex midlayer jacket and G701s gloves, anyone have both?

[peatear]

So I bought these heated clothes, but I’ve not been able to find information about using them together anywhere specifically for what I’m worried about.

ive not used them yet as I’ll probably return them depending on how they work.

The jacket has the power controller with it, but the manuals say DONT use it with gloves… as they have their own. 
But.. that would mean having two power leads from the bike.. and having to use the Y cable for gloves… or the jacket at full temp all the time.

Is this right?

Seems absolutely ridiculous to me. 
So much for being all integrated together. 
 

I've emailed Keis but no response so far after 2 days.

Does anyone here know ?

 

[RideWithStyles]

KEIS FEATURES

Central Power Hub: Got other KEIS kit? Connect your KEIS garments together using the included output sockets in the cuff of both arms and inside the waistband of any jacket, vest, or bodywarmer

Dual Powered: All KEIS products can be powered either via a KEIS portable battery pack or using a vehicle supply lead which comes included with many items including Jackets, Vests, Bodywarmers, Gloves and more

 

Instruction manual, its central power hub, power controller.

 

yes dont use that jacket controller for the gloves, only the jacket, either use no controller or one from the gloves it’s self.

You may need to buy two short connectors that connects to the sleeve cuff to the  glove.

Edited January 22 by RideWithStyles

[veracocha]

I have both and use them together without any issues with the single cable from the jacket to the bike. The controller adjusts the jacket temperature only. Gloves are controlled independently. 

[Capt Sisko]

The 'power hub' is designed so you only have one power socket contecting you with your bike. This is great for simplicity when getting on & off, but makes it complicated for adjusting temputaure setting as (mostly) it's one heat controller per garment. This can be right phaff and mean buying extra cables and controllers, but it does put you in control.

 

To power my heated gloves 'the hub' (I have a vest rather than a jacket) has power output sockets under each armpit and I then have to run a cable down the inside of the sleeves of my riding jacket to connect to the gloves. I had to buy a pair of extra cables to do this.  Do you need something similar to attach to the power output sockets on your jacket?

 

With my heated trousers, there is also hub power output socket on the waistcoat, (inside at the bottom hem) however unlike gloves, the trousers don't have a built in heat controller. More expense!

 

I also have heated insoles (bloody brilliant) and IF you've got their heated trousers you can use another power output socket they built into each trouser leg, but strangly in this case Keis have chosen to use the trousers heat controller to control the trouser legs power sockets and therefore the heat of the insoles. If you'e not wearing their heated trousers you can of course still connect the insoles to 'the hub' but that involves running the Y cable down your riding trousers and potenially buying another heat controller.   

 

That all sounds complicated and a bit of phaff, and it is, but it does work. I like warm toasty toes, but sat behind the barn door known a fairing on a R1250RT my legs are pretty well protected and it's only on the coldest of days do I need the heated trousers. For me having the options of how I plug things together and control the heat levels separately ain't a bad thing. Toasty extremities but with my core ticking over so I don't swear under my jacket works for me.

 

Lastly if you don't want to use 'the hub' you can buy a 2 or 3-way coax cable splitter to plug into the Keis coax power cable to split the power supply so you can power separate garment independantly but still only have one main power connector coming from the bike. I've tried it this way, it works but 'the hub' is just easier.

Edited January 23 by Capt Sisko

[peatear]

4 hours ago, Capt Sisko said:

The 'power hub' is designed so you only have one power socket contecting you with your bike. This is great for simplicity when getting on & off, but makes it complicated for adjusting temputaure setting as (mostly) it's one heat controller per garment. This can be right phaff and mean buying extra cables and controllers, but does put you in control.

To power my heated gloves 'the hub' has power output sockets under each armpit (I have a vest rather than a jacket) and you then have to run a cable down the inside of the sleeves of my riding jacket to connect to the gloves. I had to buy a pair of extra cables to do this.  Do you need something similar to attach to a sleeve? power output socket on your jacket?

 

Lastly if you don't want to use 'the hub' you can buy a 2 or 3-way coax cable splitter to plug into the Keis coax to split the power supply so you can power separate garment independantly but still only have one power connector coming from the bike. I've tried it this way, it works but 'the hub' is just easier.

The jackets have cables at the arm ends /wrists, which can plug into the gloves.
The issue is that if I were plug the gloves into that, supposedly using the Controller (on the jacket) would cancel itself out with the gloves own controllers and neither would control anything. 

I saw the 3 way coax splitter, but that is assuming I want the whole Y-Cable for the gloves ALSO going all over me, when the jacket itself has connections for gloves.

 

 

7 hours ago, veracocha said:

I have both and use them together without any issues with the single cable from the jacket to the bike. The controller adjusts the jacket temperature only. Gloves are controlled independently. 

This exact jacket and gloves? With gloves connected to the jackets arm connections, not using the full Y-cable with the gloves? 

 

Finally got a reply from Keis and they confirm what I fear - which is they don't work together and I have to have it all separate. Contradicting what you have said verachocha.

So either yours is different, or they dont know their products ;D 

 

Completely pointless though. 

 

Looks like I'll need to try a return. 

[veracocha]

Here's my stuff and how I have them set up. One power cable from the bike to the jacket. Check the inside of the waist on your jacket as the cable is hidden there. 

 

Edited January 23 by veracocha

[peatear]

52 minutes ago, veracocha said:

Here's my stuff and how I have them set up. One power cable from the bike to the jacket. Check the inside of the waist on your jacket as the cable is hidden there. 

 

 

 

Thanks for the pic, veracocha. Exactly how i've just tested them. Both with and without the controller. You're right, the gloves do still seem to work, and the jacket seems to 

go through the 3 heat settings when I change it on the jackets controller. 

Had it running for 5 minutes in a chilly room.  The gloves got quite hot at medium and felt uncomfortable at high. As I would expect.

The Jacket, I think my dogs breath is warmer than the jackets hottest setting.  Must be faulty. No way that the highest heat setting is barely noticeable.

So think i'll take it in to J&S and see if it needs replacing. 

 

[veracocha]

1 minute ago, peatear said:

 

Thanks for the pic, veracocha. Exactly how i've just tested them. Both with and without the controller. You're right, the gloves do still seem to work, and the jacket seems to 

go through the 3 heat settings when I change it on the jackets controller. 

Had it running for 5 minutes in a chilly room.  The gloves got quite hot at medium and felt uncomfortable at high. As I would expect.

The Jacket, I think my dogs breath is warmer than the jackets hottest setting.  Must be faulty. No way that the highest heat setting is barely noticeable.

So think i'll take it in to J&S and see if it needs replacing. 

 

My experience is opposite. My jacket is too warm on setting three whilst the gloves are lukewarm on the highest setting. Have you tried it with the bike running?

[peatear]

1 minute ago, veracocha said:

My experience is opposite. My jacket is too warm on setting three whilst the gloves are lukewarm on the highest setting. Have you tried it with the bike running?

No, I've got the battery out to clean up my battery terminals etc, so i've done it from the battery out of the bike.

I'll try again in a day or so when I have a chance from the bike see if it makes a difference. 

[Capt Sisko]

4 hours ago, peatear said:

The jackets have cables at the arm ends /wrists, which can plug into the gloves.

The issue is that if I were plug the gloves into that, supposedly using the Controller (on the jacket) would cancel itself out with the gloves own controllers and neither would control anything. 

No, it doesn't work like that. In effect there are two separate electric circuits within the vest / jacket. One is for heating the jacket and the other is 'the hub' and that's designed to provide the power supply for other kit separate to whatever the jacket is set to. That's why I said the trousers, or if I'm using the insoles on their own need a separate heat controller when plugged into the hub. The sockets at the end of the jackets arms ought to be part of that 12v hub system and therefore the heat of your gloves is only controlled by their built in controllers.

Edited January 23 by Capt Sisko

[Stu]

looks like you have already figured this out but the power outputs for attaching other heated clothing bypasses the controller 

 

The gloves have their own controllers and you have one for the jacket if you got the trousers then you would need a controller for those too 

[peatear]

I am realising it now. 
Yet, Keis themselves have said it doesn't work... crazy.
But the jacket is definitely weak in its heating output. 

[Stu]

I have the waist coat and one thing for sure is that its not weak! its never been on more than 80% and that was too hot! 

 

I control mine through a Hex EzCan which when I turn the heated grips on the jacket comes on at preset levels depending on what setting I have the grips set to 

[peatear]

7 minutes ago, Stu said:

I have the waist coat and one thing for sure is that its not weak! its never been on more than 80% and that was too hot! 

 

I control mine through a Hex EzCan which when I turn the heated grips on the jacket comes on at preset levels depending on what setting I have the grips set to 

Is why i'm thinking of going in to the store and replacing. It definitely isn't that warm. 

[Stu]

I think you need to try it on the bike first as you will get 13+ volts which will help 

[Capt Sisko]

38 minutes ago, peatear said:

Is why i'm thinking of going in to the store and replacing. It definitely isn't that warm. 

On 'high' all my Keis kit is to hot. I did a ride just before Christmas, 500miles in one day and the temperature varied between 3 and 5c. None of my Keis gear, (and I was wearing the lot that day) was ever set at anything higher than medium. As I said I sit behind an enourmous fairing & screen on my BMW 1250RT so that might be a little unfair comparison, but inefficient Keis kit ain't. If you're aren't getting warm somethings wrong.

Edited January 23 by Capt Sisko

[S-Westerly]

So far this winter I've not had my Keis gear more than low and it's quite warm enough. I use liner gloves and they attach to the sleeve ends and control via the jacket.

Edited January 24 by S-Westerly

[RideWithStyles]

i know a few gens ago pretty much everything can go through the jacks controller, just giving more power if its separately linked to a power source.

with vests and gloves, vest had the block connector under the arm pit and you had to buy a cables from that to the glove, controller of the vest as shared the load, so vest set as 100% or high would send something like 75%max to the vest and the rest to the glove. Mid was 60 and low 45 and so on unless you ran the glove direct to the battery which case you could get full power if the gloves had its own or separate controller.

The jacket (earlier ones) was the same but the connector block was at the cuff instead just like veracocha said, load was more and the distribution was better as the jacket had more and better panels (plus heated neck) so needed bigger fuse and couldn’t run a portable battery as the tech hadn’t moved to where it is now to better made and efficient panels but the later and up to date ones can. Progress at last.

 

Their manual was very good at explaining and showing how it worked or what you needed if you wanted to go through the possibilities of options, even giving you loads of different fuses just incase you did do. how the very new ones are I don’t know.

 

we have the two different older gen’s and even on a naked bikes with sub zero wind blasts, at speed and jacket with therm liner mid is enough in most cases.

 

i wonder peatear if youve confused them with your enquiry?

[Capt Sisko]

The old term is, a picture paints a thousand words. The moderd term is, see attached PDF.

 

Keis.pdf