Sorry, I am not intending to have a go at anyone, but....Here we go again... Where does it say that it not legal? There never has been a regulation making the riding of a flip front helmet in the up position illegal. All the law states under the Motorcycles Protective Headwear Regulations 1998 All motorcycle safety helmets worn while riding on roads in the UK must meet one of the following regulations: British Standard BS 6658:1985 and carry the BSI Kitemark. UNECE Regulation 22.05. A European Economic Area member standard offering at least the same safety and protection as BS 6658:1985. It must also carry a mark equivalent to the BSI Kitemark. This covers SNELL, DOT and other overseas accreditation Protective Headgear' means a helmet which; (a) either; (i) Bears a marking applied by its manufacturer indicating compliance with the specifications contained in one of the British Standards (whether or not as modified by any amendment) mentioned in Schedule 2 to these Regulations; or (ii) Is of a type manufactured for use by persons on motor cycles which by virtue of its shape, material and construction could reasonably be expected to afford to the wearer a degree of protection from accidental injury similar to or greater than that provided by a helmet of a type prescribed by regulation 5; (b) If worn with a chin cup attached to or held in position by a strap, is provided with an additional strap (to be fastened under the wearer's jaw) for securing the helmet to the head; and © Is securely fastened to the head by means of straps provided for that purpose; and 'strap' includes any fastening device. So wearing the flip in the up position is perfectly legal and there have been no ammendments made to the regulations. Under the old BS6658-85, the style of helmet was tested only with the flip front down, and so it received its accreditation for having it in the down position, but that is very different to riding with it in the up position. But, I can go one stage further than this. You are right, I was doing advisory work for Shoei in Japan when they first released the flip style helmet. They could not at the time (about 1998 or thereabouts) get it through BS6658-85 because the visor section was about 0.001mm out on the specific specs to get it approved. And so, it was (and I believe is still) sold as an open faced helmet and the chin bar/front flip is sold as an accessory which is not subject to the BS6658-85 approval. Now in fairness under EC22/05 this problem has properly been addressed, but it still goes back to the point that nothing in the regulations makes it illegal to ride with the flip in the up position. From an accident point of view, in the event of a crash where the rider sustained a facial injury, there would be no deduction of any contributory negligence because the law was being complied with. Bear in mind that even someone who wears a helmet unfastened or no helmet at all might only get hit up to a maximum of 25% contrib, but that is a maximum depnding on the circumstances. I would finish by saying that is anyone can quote act, section and/or regulation that makes it illegal, I am very happy to be corrected and apologise. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1807/regulation/1/made Cannabis is illegal, but I'm sure I can get you some if it will help. The supplier advised me it did not meet the BS / ECE standard with the flip front up. It is my understanding that the Shoei Neotec is not sold as an open face. The Multitec may have been, I don't know. If you're telling me that doesn't make it illegal great, I don't have to worry about it anymore, but one or two lines of text would have done the job, and you don't need to come over so strong that you feel the need to offer to apologise at the end of the post. So your a drug dealer... Are you stoned now