Slowlycatchymonkey

Do they do Venn diagrams in crayon?

I’m not gripping harder due to reduced feel but to get the volume of material to bend around the grip but yes that’s a good idea and I forgot I actually have one somewhere that I’ve never used so thanks for reminding me about it!

You’re welcome. Happy New Year

Yay heeeeeee’s back

Shhh young un

How many hours til 2021? Cos for sheer tenacity never mind the intellectual weight Mark W has already earned a nomination for MOTY!

As usual pro death penalty mobs follow up is the sound of tumbleweed.

Lisa Thomas’ book Dirty Dining lists their tried and tested equipment including a great stove but it’s an expensive multi fuel stove. There are some good ideas for those who will be eating meals from their camp stove though. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirty-Dining-Adventurers-Lisa-Thomas/dp/1945703067 The MSR pocket rocket is the one I hear about. I ended up with a cheap stove and a converter, so far so good and has a lovely meccano feel to it too. https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07JH52NQK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

My MiL summed up why this was a pointless discussion some years ago when she justified her pro capital punishment stance by saying “WELL, WELL I’LL TELL YOU WHY IT WOULDNT MATTER IF THE GUILDFORD FOR WHERE HANGED, IF THEY’D BEEN HANGED THEY WOULDNT HAVE STILL BEEN AROUND TO MAKE A FUSS ABOUT IT WOULD THEY” and there in lays the simplicity of some folks minds and why I should buy that cave in Spain.. let me know if some sort of evolution takes place in my lifetime.

Im afraid in 100 years time humans will be as faulty then as they are now.

Attacking guards, other prisoners, stabbing someone to death and being one of the UKs most dangerous prisoners isn’t someone with a bit of a temper, it’s a sick mind. Don’t confuse the two.

Jesus that’s awful. I heard victims relatives say that they prefer a person stays in prison as they feel the death penalty would be an easy way out.

Yes you sound receptive

Your emotions about your experiences are not the best basis for decision making.

This is a good un- George Kelly was executed in March 1950 for the 1949 murder of the manager of the Cameo Cinema in Liverpool, UK and his assistant during a robbery that went wrong. This case became known as the Cameo Murder. Kelly's conviction was overturned in 2003. Another man, Donald Johnson, had confessed to the crime but the police bungled Johnson's case and had not divulged his confession at Kelly's trial.

Does that sound sane to you?

Blimey I knew they’d said he hadn’t done it. I didn’t know his neighbour was a serial killer who later admitted it.

Because youve already covered your eyes?

Slight side note @Bender your jury service crim hasn’t been effectively managed if he’s injured 5 guards. Broadmoor ‘Hospital’ is still quite recognisable as the ‘Criminal Lunatic Asylum’ it started as. They used to find it amusing to send student nurses there from Brookwood (which was the lower level psychiatric hospital) for a bit of an eye opener, I suppose to knock off some of the syrupy sweetness and idealism but officially it was so you could see the way people were graded and get an overview of all psychiatric treatment. It is a truly frightening place. The incurably unpredictably violent are medicated. Medicated to a level they aren’t going to hurt anyone. Which you can do against someone’s will if necessary once sectioned. Your man just needs the stronger meds.

Ok muddy hole

I find it difficult to comprehend how no matter how small you break the components down into, no matter how simple you make the steps to follow people who are pro death penalty will just cover their eyes and refuse to answer the questions in order maintain a stance they can’t defend. I suppose they’re hard wired to their emotions and to hell with the consequences. If we have the death penalty will there be mistakes that mean innocent people will be murdered? Do you think that is worth it?

Just Google does the death penalty reduce murder rates? Then do some reading.

You’re saying in this particular case theres no mistake and he would deserve it but your not acknowledging the change in the law to allow this ‘deserving’ persons murder would then lead to innocent people being hanged. Sometimes people’s views are emotionally compromised by what they’ve seen or been involved in. You have to put that to one side and look a step further at what the consequences of you having your way on one case would have on everything that came after. That would without doubt be innocent people being hanged. So my question remains. Do you think innocent people being hanged is acceptable collateral?

@Bender Even if you have personal experience in a case where the perpetrator in your view deserves the death penalty you have to acknowledge mistakes will be made and innocent people would hang. Would you want that on your conscience? Or would you view those innocents mistakenly hanged as acceptable collateral?

Something about coming here spoiling things with your facts and reason springs to mind