Anonymous threatens Sony over SOPA

[borgy95]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... jOPXpd9PSU

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act - SOPA WIKI so you can read all about the SOPA bill

Thought i'd post this for people to see and so they can be aware of SOPA

Would be interesting to hear people views on this, about SOPA and the Anonymous' intentions.

[GarethNW]

They will never win! not ever.

They keep turning sites off and they keep poping back up.

It's very easy to find films to download atm but all I can see happening is that it goes more underground and you need to know a guy who knows a guy to get all your links.

[GarethNW]

Hollywood needs to know that being able to push around and restrict the legitimate Internet consumer doesn't mean they will be able to push around the Internet Pirates, who will find their own ways around this bill.

There must be a way to stop online piracy, but setting automated search engines on us is NOT THE WAY. Do you want unofficial review sites shut down as well?

 

That quote summed it up for me.

Lets totally screw up everyone on the internet so that we can make it more profitable for Pirates to sell data again! well done the US

[mealexme]

I have been on a couple of sites that claim because you are streeming movies from their site, you are not doing anything illegal because you are not downloading anything, and their servers are in a country that dont have the same piracy/copyright laws, so they are doing nothing illegal either. I am not sure how accurate it is, but people will always try and find loop holes, move their servers and change their website addresses but somehow let users know they have changed sites. It will never work.

Just look at thepiratebay, they were taken to court, whilst in court the website was still up and it was eventually sold on to someone else who had to make it legal... A quick search for GTA has brought up free computer games, so its looking like it was bought by someone on the same wave length and has either gone back to the old owner or has just turned into a website that you can download illegal things from once again.

Its become too much of a sociable acceptable thing now for it to be completely wiped out

[techno]

We all like something for nothing but wether there going about it the right way or not did people think they would sit around and just let it happen?

As for these anonymous clowns hackers whatever round em up and shoot em in the face for all i care, they just smack of children throwing a tantrum.

[GarethNW]

We all like something for nothing but wether there going about it the right way or not did people think they would sit around and just let it happen?

 

 

Thats the point, if they could they would have a long time ago. I do expect them to do somthing but it will fail thats for sure, they will like fools target the ppl who just have a pc to check there emails and so on. They cant target the source with any majour effect. In fact all they can do is make a nice lovely market for em.

I can't say for sure but I do think the way we live our lives now has made the fat cats get fatter. Some of the wonderfull systems we have now like Itunes, Iplayer and so on would not exist if it wasnt for the pirates developing the systems in the first place. So much legit software comes from hackers and pirates that are just very very clever and they set the standard.

Look at how a lot of companies release software! The torrent way.

They send the file out to you but then you pass bits of that file to all there other customers. In effect you the customers as a group of ppl become the server they use to pass out there data!!!! Saves them a lot of money but that system only came to pass because of ppl stealing data.

[borgy95]

Just found this article which brings some updated info on the situation and provides some light technical reasoning as to why SOPA would be damaging. It also mentions how anonymous has changed the way it intends on attack sony, by targeting the CEO's

http://www.scmagazineuk.com/anonymous-t ... le/221682/

As for my thoughts like techno the anonymous individuals while i can understand their perspective relaly need a reality check and leave behind the megolomaniac self image. Or just have their mothers give em a good spanking for being so arrogant.

As for SOPA its a waste of time as technology moves much faster then legislation can ever hope to keep up with and such people will always find a way round it, as the article even explains it would actually be detrimental to current more succesful initiatives in motion.

As for ruining the like of justin bieber lady gaga kim kardashian etc... Please anonymous do it! cos they are just so f**king annoying i would mind them getting a slap in the face, that would be pleasurable to watch!

@GarethNW so very true good point! it worrying thought that the blackhats are the ground breakers! however i do like SYmantec new approach using community based file reputation to weed out malware as opposed to the traditional signature method.

(see this article for reputation based protection explanation - http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/how-reputation-based-security-transforms-war-malware)

[Aaron]

Anonymous are doing good and very important work that you are all benefiting from.

You might get the odd anomaly, ofcourse, because there isn't really a centrally organised heirarchy so anyone can operate under the banner of 'anonymous'.

[borgy95]

Anonymous are doing good and very important work that you are all benefiting from.

You might get the odd anomaly, ofcourse, because there isn't really a centrally organised heirarchy so anyone can operate under the banner of 'anonymous'.

 

Whilst they may be doing very important work, I find their atittude (linked youtube video being a prime example) quite abhorrent. their rash declarations and reneges reduce their credibility. and general anarchist approach shallow and poorly thought out. they could be far more effective if they applied sound reason to their endeavour. for instance if they had created a 15minute video highlighting why SOPA was so bad, educating people (which is essential) and on that basis justifying their action then i think the support would be much more forth coming and their own campaign far more effective.

[Aaron]

Anonymous are doing good and very important work that you are all benefiting from.

You might get the odd anomaly, ofcourse, because there isn't really a centrally organised heirarchy so anyone can operate under the banner of 'anonymous'.

 

Whilst they may be doing very important work, I find their atittude (linked youtube video being a prime example) quite abhorrent. their rash declarations and reneges reduce their credibility. and general anarchist approach shallow and poorly thought out. they could be far more effective if they applied sound reason to their endeavour. for instance if they had created a 15minute video highlighting why SOPA was so bad, educating people (which is essential) and on that basis justifying their action then i think the support would be much more forth coming and their own campaign far more effective.

 

The anarchist approach is central to the meme, and imo adds credibility. Anarchism is, afterall, the only noble and morally justifiable state of (non)government (Uncle Ron in my avatar is a special case because he's cool ; )). That's why the icon is a man with no head.

I doubt they care about educating mindless morons. Anyone who isn't a mindless moron is perfectly capable of educating themselves when they come across something they are unfamiliar with.

[borgy95]

Aaron on that i say fair point.

However id like to share something that has been announced by Anonymous this morning. They claim to have gotten hold of symantec enerprise secuirty product source code. Symantec has confirmed it was taken from a thrid party companys network not t heirs and was legacy software NAV10 (this is about 5yrs old and EOL). However this makes no sense why would anaonymous attack a company that is focused on stopping hackers? nor do they engage in stupidities like supporting SOPA etc.

I am pretty sure Anonymous began its first acts of hacktivism to show the need for security so why start trying to comprimise these companies' products and give many dangerous hackers a golden ticket into the systems of millions of people computers?

So now on that basis i consider them dirt....

(though i hope you'll take great pleasure in helping me see the otherside of it.)

[Aaron]

Well I guess that if they were real "baddies" they wouldn't have announced it, and just made use if it. I've not looked at any related articles yet, but 'hackers' in general do alot of this in order to expose security companies' shitty security. Anonymous destroyed HBGary, although that was a bit more personal, but it goes to show that alot of people putting their trust in security experts are getting riped off.

Symantec make millions selling their products, and if they are leaking source code then perhaps those millions in profits are unjustly gained.

[Aaron]

A little like how when they get hold of hundreds of thousands of creditcard details, from sony psn or something like that, instead of selling them, or using them, they publish them to cause a huge stir and prompt sony to either implement proper security that their customers would expect (often during these hacks those details aren't even encryted), or cause the public to leave sony knowing that they aren't taking their personal security ahead of extra profits.

[GarethNW]

I hate symantec with a passion!

All about the money and not the product.

If you pay a sub every year/ 2 years to Symantec then please stop and use anything else

I myself use AVG along side Malwarebytes and its free and works a treat.

My better half downloads lots of dodgy stuff/porn (not me) and the pc never gets hit

@ work I have the AVG network edition and it runs like a dream unlike Endpoint!

(I havent used endpoint for years so it may be better now but I will never go back)

[Aaron]

I hate symantec with a passion!

All about the money and not the product.

If you pay a sub every year/ 2 years to Symantec then please stop and use anything else

I myself use AVG along side Malwarebytes and its free and works a treat.

My better half downloads lots of dodgy stuff/porn (not me) and the pc never gets hit

@ work I have the AVG network edition and it runs like a dream unlike Endpoint!

(I havent used endpoint for years so it may be better now but I will never go back)

 

I don't use anything at all (anti-virus/firewall), other than the built in windows firewall and anythjing thats running on the router. 5 years now and no isues.

[borgy95]

Again fair enough Aaron however it is unlikely in this case symantec is leaking the code as the is from legacy security software NAV 10.2 which is 5years old. since then there has been SEP11 which was all new code (sep12.1 RU1 being the latest) so it would not make a difference to symantecs current software. ALso rmbr the detail it was from athrid party company the code was taken not symantec networks if it had been then yes that would have been a serious lapse in business integrity. Also it was a small segment not the whole lot.

@ gareth NW it has chnaged alot, and you're hatred is for past symantec AV/AS is justified it had many issue (esp SEP11) and was resource intensive however if you look at the gartner analyssis reviews comparing various offerings from MS-KApersky-MCafee-trend-SYmantec the stats should be very enlightnening and may even change your mind! Or go to http://www.virustotal.com and simply search through a few virus' and the website shows very simply which AV/AS are coapable of dedecting what!

I also used AVG for a logn time at home then got a free ciopy of Norton, and found 12virus on my mahine 3 of which were botnet viruses!!

All in all I think i get Anonymous' perspective and approach but feel it could be more productive and less constructive if tweaked a little and some order to their actions... Yes i understand that could be seen to contradict their ethos of no leader but still a forum of people can still discuss a strategic approach and move towards in unison... thus being more effective as now many hands are working to a common goal rather then a haphazard approach causing general disarray and problems left right and center even to the innocent indivduals they claim to be fighting for. Don't you think aaron? or is this reason still to unapalatable? Are you a memeber of anonymous ha? ha? (edit- just reread this last sentence... not meant to be an attack just thought provoking question, and the final a joke unless you are )

Edited January 6, 2012 by borgy95

[Throttled]

Anonymous are doing good and very important work that you are all benefiting from.

You might get the odd anomaly, ofcourse, because there isn't really a centrally organised heirarchy so anyone can operate under the banner of 'anonymous'.

 

I read through the links and I know Sony has done more good for me than anonymous. I prefer a facelss corporation, even with all of its faults) paying taxes, employing people and creating quality goods than a faceless organisation with its own agenda out to bully and destroy.

[Aaron]

Again fair enough Aaron however it is unlikely in this case symantec is leaking the code as the is from legacy security software NAV 10.2 which is 5years old. since then there has been SEP11 which was all new code (sep12.1 RU1 being the latest) so it would not make a difference to symantecs current software.

 

As a software developer I feel that 5 years is definitely not a long time at all as far as software is concerned. And i very much doubt it's all new code, unless you have some inside information. But it would be VERY unlikely.

 

ALso rmbr the detail it was from athrid party company the code was taken not symantec networks if it had been then yes that would have been a serious lapse in business integrity. Also it was a small segment not the whole lot.

 

Does it make a difference whether they leaked their code directly or through a proxy?

 

but still a forum of people can still discuss a strategic approach and move towards in unison... thus being more effective as now many hands are working to a common goal

 

Well then that would completely change the dynamics of Anonymous, and turn it into a criminal organisation. Besides the fact that being an official group would defeat the whole point (not that it would be possible to define a discrete group), doing so would make everyone participating vulnerable to coercion. Anonynmous is, however, as their mascot 'V' says, an idea. And ideas are bullet proof.

 

Are you a memeber of anonymous ha? ha?

 

Anonymous has no 'members' because it's not a group or a club.

[yorbandit]

All this goes straight over my head LOL

or was it the fact that i got bored and gave up paying attention LOL

[Susieque]

and TBH I couldn't care less either!

[Ingah]

I on the other hand, am interested because SOPA is almost certain to result in legitimate websites and services being taken down without notice, causing the companies to go bust and generally screwing up the way the internet is supposed to work.

Don't like whst your competitor is doing? Then use SOPA to get their website taken down for a few days and lose them a chunk of market share. How? Because there's no trial or hearing, merely an allegation that gets acted on without any further thought of the consequences.

Thank god that there are at least one group of people who aren't willing to roll over and take it.

[techno]

I on the other hand, am interested because SOPA is almost certain to result in legitimate websites and services being taken down without notice, causing the companies to go bust and generally screwing up the way the internet is supposed to work.

Don't like whst your competitor is doing? Then use SOPA to get their website taken down for a few days and lose them a chunk of market share. How? Because there's no trial or hearing, merely an allegation that gets acted on without any further thought of the consequences.

Thank god that there are at least one group of people who aren't willing to roll over and take it.

 

Even tho they are breaking the law to do it?

Do you advocate people taking the law into their own hands, hwere will it end?

If they were more legitimate would they have more backing and therefore perhaps reap better rewards?

Lets be fair this sopa act wouldnt be needed if people didnt use the internet to rip off others so who is intentianally to balme am sure the big corporations really didnt want to waste time with stuff like this but have been forced to do so, am sure if you felt you were being ripped off you wouldnt stand back and just shrug your shoulders.

I would also hasten to add personally I think it probably isnt going to make much difference to the average law abiding user of the internet its seems as with most things rumour gets out of hand!

[Aaron]

Even tho they are breaking the law to do it?

Do you advocate people taking the law into their own hands, hwere will it end?

 

Well that's fine and dandy if you believe the law is always just, purely on the basis that it's "the law".

 

Lets be fair this sopa act wouldnt be needed if people didnt use the internet to rip off others so who is intentianally to balme am sure the big corporations really didnt want to waste time with stuff like this but have been forced to do so, am sure if you felt you were being ripped off you wouldnt stand back and just shrug your shoulders.

 

Copyright laws are fundamentally immoral. Noone is getting "ripped off". All of this is a symptom of big business buying off politicians so that they can continue to profit from an obsolete business model.

 

I would also hasten to add personally I think it probably isnt going to make much difference to the average law abiding user of the internet its seems as with most things rumour gets out of hand!

 

It would fundamentally change the entire internet experience. People won't be able to upload videos to sites like youtube (with about 8 years worth of content uploaded every day how could they manually check every single upload for copyright infringments?). You'll only be able to get news from state approved soures because dissenting sources will be shut down. It means big corporations will OWN the internet, and it means internet censorship (think wikileaks etc) will be democratically introduced into law.

[Aaron]

It would be very easy to have TMBF taken down, just by posting a misic video or something.

[Aaron]

Something slightly related I read today that I might as well post here:

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/01/0 ... um=twitter