Hey guys thanks awfully for your replies, I have only just realised I wrote this thread, as my setting were not correct in my user profile Fro........... Yes I did mean the rifle was a gas ram and not a pcp I ended up buying a Limited addition BSA Scorpion RS Platinum in .177................... very nice gun. I just need to get out and shoot the bugger now I need to keep my ears open for any farmers that allow you to shoot on their land, as well as join Byley shooting range........thats on my door step. thanks again everyone