Tankbag Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 As Cocker says then it's gotta be worth the professional services of a good dyno tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Il recomened rich at dynodaze if you can get a ride there. Hes in hinkley. Not sure how far from london it is but i know guys travel there with there vags to get mapped at r-tech next door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Let me first change the pads, lube the calipers & check the air filter - then I'll think about the dyno run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Il recomened rich at dynodaze if you can get a ride there. Hes in hinkley. Not sure how far from london it is but i know guys travel there with there vags to get mapped at r-tech next door. I don't think he has a bike dyno! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeman Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Let me first change the pads, lube the calipers & check the air filter - then I'll think about the dyno run May as well do an oil change and new plugs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Let me first change the pads, lube the calipers & check the air filter - then I'll think about the dyno run May as well do an oil change and new plugs too.Doing the oil on Sat anyway. I don't think I'll do the plugs. It's only 15k miles and they are a bitch to access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 if you really want to chase this few extra mpgthen do a full service on the bike yourself and make sure things are done right I would look at removing that exup valve if your still suspect of it but remove it properlythen buy yourself a power commander and get the fueling set up right on a dyno then after you have spent £700 chasing that few mpg keep the bike for ten years so that £700 pays for itself seriously if a 600 cc bike is leaving you from a standing start your either shit or there is something wrong with the bike! only you can decide which but a 600 should not be leaving you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Il recomened rich at dynodaze if you can get a ride there. Hes in hinkley. Not sure how far from london it is but i know guys travel there with there vags to get mapped at r-tech next door. I don't think he has a bike dyno! Rich dose at dynodaze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Il recomened rich at dynodaze if you can get a ride there. Hes in hinkley. Not sure how far from london it is but i know guys travel there with there vags to get mapped at r-tech next door. I don't think he has a bike dyno! Rich dose at dynodaze. No he doesnt He runs them on a car dyno with a homemade adaptor! not the best set up IMO if your going to get your bike on a dyno then use a bike specialist who knows the bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 seriously if a 600 cc bike is leaving you from a standing start your either shit or there is something wrong with the bike! only you can decide which but a 600 should not be leaving you Or the third option, the 600 rider is amazing at launches After that Phil speeds past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 if you really want to chase this few extra mpgthen do a full service on the bike yourself and make sure things are done right I would look at removing that exup valve if your still suspect of it but remove it properlythen buy yourself a power commander and get the fueling set up right on a dyno then after you have spent £700 chasing that few mpg keep the bike for ten years so that £700 pays for itself seriously if a 600 cc bike is leaving you from a standing start your either shit or there is something wrong with the bike! only you can decide which but a 600 should not be leaving youCould be just that I need to hone my slipping technique on the R1 - I could definitely pull away faster on the R6 without a doubt. If I let the clutch out too quickly, I get that horrible clutch noise which I didn't get before (on the R6). Not sure if that's lubing or the difference between 600 & 1000?Definitely not going to remap/power commander etc. As you suggest, just not worth it. Would be nice if it was just a case of changing air filter and suddenly everything is better... hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Haha. Never knew that. I knew he did bike bike runs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 seriously if a 600 cc bike is leaving you from a standing start your either shit or there is something wrong with the bike! only you can decide which but a 600 should not be leaving you Or the third option, the 600 rider is amazing at launches After that Phil speeds pastLOL.Home-bray, back me up on the grinding noise - loud isn't it!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Could be just that I need to hone my slipping technique on the R1 - I could definitely pull away faster on the R6 without a doubt. If I let the clutch out too quickly, I get that horrible clutch noise which I didn't get before (on the R6). Not sure if that's lubing or the difference between 600 & 1000?Definitely not going to remap/power commander etc. As you suggest, just not worth it. Would be nice if it was just a case of changing air filter and suddenly everything is better... hmm... what clutch sound I have never had any clutch sound on any 1000cc I have ridden they either wheelie or stall a power commander and remap is well worth every penny if you intend on keeping the bike do a full service first including plugs and stick iridiums in balance the throttle bodies too while you are in there although this will have no bearing on MPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Home-bray, back me up on the grinding noise - loud isn't it!? Yes.Maybe the bike is so slow due to the fat oaf with a large frontal surface area who is riding it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yer there shouldnt be any noises from the clutch. Is it loud enough to video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yer there shouldnt be any noises from the clutch. Is it loud enough to video?It's loud enough for Alex to hear above both our loud exhausts...I can try with a gopro and external mic I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Home-bray, back me up on the grinding noise - loud isn't it!? Yes.Maybe the bike is so slow due to the fat oaf with a large frontal surface area who is riding it... Remember our conversation about kickboxing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 is this clutch sound all the time at idle and a rattle? or just when you're setting off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 is this clutch sound all the time at idle and a rattle? or just when you're setting offIf I set off and release the clutch too quickly. Unless I slip the clutch a little, there is a noticeable power dip. I *can* launch it, but it requires slipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 For the fuelling, if I see you at a rideout I can have a pop on it and see if there's an issue. Ridden plenty of bikes of the same ilk, fireblade, Gixxer 1000, MV Agusta, HP4 etc so if there's a problem I can compare it with those. The Gixxer was a bit rough off the line, whereas the blade was smooth, but if there's an actual issue I'm usually good at picking up on them.For the clutch, some of my past Honda's have done that rattle. Usually I let the clutch out and there's a brief deep sounding rattle, not a thrashing noise. Usually happened at low to medium revs with a high load on the clutch, which I think might just be an imperfect clutch shuddering under the torsional load you are putting through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 For the fuelling, if I see you at a rideout I can have a pop on it and see if there's an issue. Ridden plenty of bikes of the same ilk, fireblade, Gixxer 1000, MV Agusta, HP4 etc so if there's a problem I can compare it with those. The Gixxer was a bit rough off the line, whereas the blade was smooth, but if there's an actual issue I'm usually good at picking up on them.For the clutch, some of my past Honda's have done that rattle. Usually I let the clutch out and there's a brief deep sounding rattle, not a thrashing noise. Usually happened at low to medium revs with a high load on the clutch, which I think might just be an imperfect clutch shuddering under the torsional load you are putting through it.Nice one, I'd appreciate that. The clutch noise you described is spot on. Is it bad for the clutch life to hear that if it is as you believe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 the rattle is the buffer springs in the clutch basket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Pjsd2D5Tothis will do it mostly with the clutch pulled in and slight rattle with the clutch out is normal the screeching noise is totally different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 the rattle is the buffer springs in the clutch basket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Pjsd2D5Tothis will do it mostly with the clutch pulled in and slight rattle with the clutch out is normal the screeching noise is totally differentNormal it is then Stu - no noise when the clutch is pulled in. Only on a sudden "dump" I guess when the revs drop to 1.5-2k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 so thats that cleared up! you need to rev the f**ker more just need to sort this screeching sound outl which I believe could be a bearing that costs about £10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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