KTM21 Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/teen-b ... rs-inside/Do you agree with the punishment? Quote
KTM21 Posted May 29, 2015 Author Posted May 29, 2015 I personally think 6 years is a fitting punishment. I understand that he has killed someone but most men have done something stupid like that in a car before (speeding), he just happened to crash and take someone's life. But that's the risk you take when doing something stupid. The guy was obviously a knob though by the way he snapchatted it. Messing with your phone at 142mph, he must be thick as well. Quote
Stu Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 looking at the pics from the scene of the smash it looks like a 30mph limit so doing 80 in a 30 and killing someone is really taking the biscuit not to mention running the red light! 6 years is no way near enough of a punishment Quote
Six30 Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 Not long enough, the prick will only do 3 years at the most.The dead fellas family have a life sentence , if sentences for idiots like this was a lot more severe it might make em think twice. Quote
KTM21 Posted May 29, 2015 Author Posted May 29, 2015 Not long enough, the prick will only do 3 years at the most.Good point, I didn't think about that. Quote
BikerMooFromMars Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 Moron.What about this too?http://www.littlehamptongazette.co.uk/news/local/breaking-news-dawn-devine-found-guilty-of-causing-bognor-biker-robert-giacopazzi-s-death-by-careless-driving-1-6763526"Devine, 55, of Wish Field Drive, Felpham, was handed a 12-month community order and disqualified from driving for 12 months."What. The. Actual. F**k.Doesn't really explain the situation. But SERIOUSLY, you can kill someone and just walk away with just that? Suppose it's difficult to judge properly as this doesn't really explain the circumstances. Very shocked though as sounds as though she was at fault and loses her license for 12 months only?! Quote
cyberwolf Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 looking at the pics from the scene of the smash it looks like a 30mph limit so doing 80 in a 30 and killing someone is really taking the biscuit not to mention running the red light! 6 years is no way near enough of a punishment i agree should be more like 15 years Quote
oldie59 Posted May 29, 2015 Posted May 29, 2015 Always believed that life should mean life, just as it is in other countries.If anyone kills another person be it premeditated or otherwise, then they should be locked up for the rest of their lives.The only exeption to this in my eyes is assisted suicide Quote
Joeman Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Accidents happen, yes the guy was a dick driving at 80mph in a 30 limit, but the death was not deliberate. it wasn't cold blooded, premeditated murder, so it shouldn't carry the same penalty. If it did carry the same sentence, then that would devalue the sentence for actual cold blooded killers. Imagine them bragging now - "hey i killed a guy in cold blood, I slit his throat and watched him bleed to death whilst drinking a beer and smoking a fag... and the best part? I only got the same sentence as a bloke who ran someone over"...scary world when speeding alone starts to carry long custodial sentences, and accidents carry the same sentence as premeditated murder! Quote
Rebel Rach Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Er no, in the case of vehicles there is no such thing as an accident, somebody is always at fault. This is why the police call them collisions not accidents. In my opinion the sentence in this case is no where near enough. If you choose to drive that far above the posted speed limit then what do you think any reasonable person would expect to happen if it went wrong. Surely this counts as intent of some sort. Wrong person died in this case, imagine if it were a biker who was killed, would you have said the punishment fitted the crime then? Quote
Joeman Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Er no, in the case of vehicles there is no such thing as an accident, somebody is always at fault. This is why the police call them collisions not accidents. In my opinion the sentence in this case is no where near enough. If you choose to drive that far above the posted speed limit then what do you think any reasonable person would expect to happen if it went wrong. Surely this counts as intent of some sort. Wrong person died in this case, imagine if it were a biker who was killed, would you have said the punishment fitted the crime then? I didn't actually comment about if the punishment fitted the crime or not, I just providing a different viewpoint (for the sake of debate), that driving at excessive speeds is not the same as premeditated murder, and should therefore (in my opinion) not carry the same punishment as some have suggested he should be treated like any other murderer.At what speed above the posted limit does the crime change from simply "speeding" to "intent to commit murder"? and does speeding and not killing anyone make us failed murderers?? Quote
oldie59 Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Er no, in the case of vehicles there is no such thing as an accident, somebody is always at fault. This is why the police call them collisions not accidents. In my opinion the sentence in this case is no where near enough. If you choose to drive that far above the posted speed limit then what do you think any reasonable person would expect to happen if it went wrong. Surely this counts as intent of some sort. Wrong person died in this case, imagine if it were a biker who was killed, would you have said the punishment fitted the crime then? I didn't actually comment about if the punishment fitted the crime or not, I just providing a different viewpoint (for the sake of debate), that driving at excessive speeds is not the same as premeditated murder, and should therefore (in my opinion) not carry the same punishment as some have suggested he should be treated like any other murdererAt what speed above the posted limit does the crime change from simply "speeding" to "intent to commit murder"? and does speeding and not killing anyone make us failed murderers?? Surely though, any powered vehicle is a weapon in the wrong hands and should be treated as such. If a person uses that weapon to deliberately drive at exessive speed which resulted in someone being killed or severely injured then the punishment must fit the crime (just as if they were using a knife or gun)? Not be let off with what amounts to a slapped wrist! Quote
wr6133 Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 What about this too?http://www.littlehamptongazette.co.uk/news/local/breaking-news-dawn-devine-found-guilty-of-causing-bognor-biker-robert-giacopazzi-s-death-by-careless-driving-1-6763526"Devine, 55, of Wish Field Drive, Felpham, was handed a 12-month community order and disqualified from driving for 12 months."What. The. Actual. F**k.Doesn't really explain the situation. But SERIOUSLY, you can kill someone and just walk away with just that? Suppose it's difficult to judge properly as this doesn't really explain the circumstances. Very shocked though as sounds as though she was at fault and loses her license for 12 months only?! [/color] The law doesn't seem to count bikers as people that is far from an isolated example. Infact if you want to murder someone sit them on a motorbike and run them over, you'll get a few hours litter picking and a small fine. Quote
Six30 Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Accidents happen, yes the guy was a dick driving at 80mph in a 30 limit, but the death was not deliberate. it wasn't cold blooded, premeditated murder, so it shouldn't carry the same penalty. If it did carry the same sentence, then that would devalue the sentence for actual cold blooded killers. Imagine them bragging now - "hey i killed a guy in cold blood, I slit his throat and watched him bleed to death whilst drinking a beer and smoking a fag... and the best part? I only got the same sentence as a bloke who ran someone over"...scary world when speeding alone starts to carry long custodial sentences, and accidents carry the same sentence as premeditated murder! Would not be scary for most of us... and it wasn't an accident that he was doing well over double the speed limit. I got no problem if he had got the same sentence as a murderer . Quote
fq-craigus Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 80 in a 30 and running a red light is overly reckless! He has handed out a life sentance to victims family and now he has to do the time. All i can hope is he learns some hard and fast lessons inside. And hope his drvibg ban starts the day he leaves prison Quote
mealexme Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Speeding is one thing. 140mph on a motorway in the middle of the night, like he is doing in the photo - not a massive deal.Doing 80mph in a 30 limit? That's where the problem starts, and running a red light, at those speeds?!? Well, as someone has already stated - the wrong person dies in that crash! Quote
Joeman Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Murder is a premeditated act of killing someone and carries a mandatory minimum sentence. Killing someone unintentionally is manslaughter and carries no minimum sentence but in the uk it typically carries a 7 to 15 year sentence.this guy didnt set out to intentionally kill anyone (or did he?) so its right he receive a manslaughter charge, not a murder charge. Is 6 years enough for such a reckless manslaughter? That's the question..Just shouting "give him life" is not too dissimilar to the pitchfork weilding witch burners of the past.... What if his speed had been 'only' 50mph in a 30? Would the same penalty apply? What if it had been 40mph? At what point does speeding and killing someone warrant (to the witch burners) a life sentence?Thats the kind of decision the lawmakers need to make.. Not easy! Quote
Six30 Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Murder is a premeditated act of killing someone and carries a mandatory minimum sentence. Killing someone unintentionally is manslaughter and carries no minimum sentence but in the uk it typically carries a 7 to 15 year sentence.this guy didnt set out to intentionally kill anyone (or did he?) so its right he receive a manslaughter charge, not a murder charge. Is 6 years enough for such a reckless manslaughter? That's the question..Just shouting "give him life" is not too dissimilar to the pitchfork weilding witch burners of the past.... What if his speed had been 'only' 50mph in a 30? Would the same penalty apply? What if it had been 40mph? At what point does speeding and killing someone warrant (to the witch burners) a life sentence?Thats the kind of decision the lawmakers need to make.. Not easy! Lucky your not a judge ..he'd of got two weeks pushing an old girl round in a wheelchair and no playstaion for a month. Quote
KTM21 Posted May 30, 2015 Author Posted May 30, 2015 80 in a 30 and running a red light is overly reckless! He has handed out a life sentance to victims family and now he has to do the time. All i can hope is he learns some hard and fast lessons inside. And hope his drvibg ban starts the day he leaves prisonI'm in no way sympathising for the guy speeding but more so questioning the system, the funny thing is that he will come out of prison in 6 years time a totally different person, he won't have been rehabilitated. Spending 6 years with actual criminals because let's face it speeding doesn't really make you a criminal, will change him for the worse. In the picture he was wearing a suit and looked like a respectable person with potential but when he comes out, he'll just be another bum in the dole queue. The way I see it, the only benefit for the prison sentence in this case is to put the family at ease. Quote
Phooey Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 We have all gone over the speed limit at one time or another. Some of us may have even gone stupidly over the speed limit. But, if your action of exceeding the limit which was your choice, takes a life then it is vehicular manslaughter. Or should be and unless there are extreme mittigating circumstances, the penalty should be life.We are far too lenient in this country and treat our criminals like they are the victims. Quote
Phooey Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 ... let's face it speeding doesn't really make you a criminal, Speeding isn't a criminal offence but killing another human being is. Intentional or not! In the picture he was wearing a suit and looked like a respectable person with potential but when he comes out, he'll just be another bum in the dole queue. The way I see it, the only benefit for the prison sentence in this case is to put the family at ease. Now imagine that nice respectable looking man in his nice suit that he wears on the instructions of his solicitor in a ploy to play to the courts sympathy is defending the charge of killing your daughter, son, mum or dad ... Quote
iiisecondcreep Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 140mph on a motorway in the middle of the night, like he is doing in the photo - not a massive deal. 140mph on a motorway in the middle of the night... whilst using a handheld mobile device to take a picture at the same time.And while the motorway will be very quiet in the wee small hours, there is a good chance he will encounter other vehicles at some point. At 140mph, how long do you have to take your eyes off the road in order for something to 'appear out of nowhere'. This guy clearly had absolutely no regard for his own safety or the safety of others.And I agree with the point that plenty of people do it every day, just because they get away with it *that time* doesn't mean they will the next. The risks are known. People choose to ignore them. Maybe if sentences are harsher people would be less inclined to behave in the way this young man chose to - for the record this means behaving dangerously - not simply speeding. Quote
Joeman Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 Lucky your not a judge ..he'd of got two weeks pushing an old girl round in a wheelchair and no playstaion for a month. On the contrary! But as KTM21 says, the system is flawed. Taking an otherwise law abiding citizen and locking them away with real criminals will only result in producing another real criminal at the tax payers expense.What about doing something useful with him that benefits both the family of the deceased, and the taxpayer, and rehabilitates him at the same time? Quote
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