Epic Earl Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 thankfully I wasn't speeding, but I as riding through a local country village yesterday and I saw what looked like a conveyancer and his equipment going about his daily job.As I was practically on top of him, I noticed it was a policeman with his motorcycle parked down a country lane. out of site to his side.I thought all speed traps had to be highly visible these days? is this not the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastanglianbiker Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 was he wearing his hi-viz gear if so then you should of been ab le to see it was possibly a check so good job you wasnt speeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Earl Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 he was, Im just used to them having their bikes, right next to them. As there was two builders down the road pointing towards him. i thought he was working with them.I usually dont speed through the villages here. It seemed to cause quite the debate on facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRH Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 found this on a legal web siteDefences that are not validNone of the following can be used as a defence against a speeding charge, even if you felt that you were justified in speeding at the time.the camera did not conform to the regulations set out for their operationthere were no relevant visible road signsthe speed trap was hidden – there is no requirement for the police to make themselves visible or provide warning when operating in this wayyou were latethere was an emergencythe car behind was too close.which then seems to be contradicted by this on the same site.Rules and regulations for speed camerasIn 2001 the law was changed so that speed cameras had to be painted yellow to ensure visibility. Many other rules were also brought in regarding speed cameras.The regulations decree that:speed camera housings must be coloured yellowcamera housings cannot be obscured, e.g. by trees, bushes or signscameras must be visible from 60m away in 40mph or less zones and 100m for all other speed limit zonessigns must only be placed in areas where camera housings are located or where mobile cameras are in operationin order to make them visible, mobile speed camera operators must wearing fluorescent clothing, and their vehicles should be marked with reflective stripscamera sites are to be reviewed at least every six months in order to ensure that cameras are adequately visible and signed.The presence of speed cameras can also be indicated with road signs, but this is not a legal requirement.but i think the second set of rules is mainly for fixed sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailee66 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I was caught out a couple of years ago by a bike copper hidden behind some bushes with a hand held scamera. He was just poking out of the bush with the camera no more than 5 yards from national speed limit signs! of course he caught me doing 37 in a 30! Damn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Earl Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 I got caught in a similar way, a couple of years ago doing 35mph in a 30 just shy of a national. He was hidiing by a bridge at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilM Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 EarlSouth Yorkshire Police don't have the best record when it comes to anything really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBrightside Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 It boils down to force Policy, that's all. Some cameras are painted yellow to be seen, and they can recover a certain percentage of revenue from fines. Same for camera vans. Some will put signage out, some won't. Some will actively declare where they will be on their website beforehand. There's no hard and fast rule about being sneaky.On a side note, a few weeks back I was shooting down the A14, towards Cambridge from BSE and couldn't quite believe what I saw on the opposite side slip road. A marked police vehicle almost buried totally in a hedge with a copper trying to do a sniper spot with his speed gun. Even as a copper myself I thought it was bad form and was appalled. If your gonna do it as a marked unit, then do it and be visible. Leave the sneaky stuff to the unmarked patrols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeman Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 We need to slam on the brakes every time we see one, hopefully causing an accident so we can prove speed cameras make the roads more dangerous not safer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe85 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 It boils down to force Policy, that's all. Some cameras are painted yellow to be seen, and they can recover a certain percentage of revenue from fines. Same for camera vans. Some will put signage out, some won't. Some will actively declare where they will be on their website beforehand. There's no hard and fast rule about being sneaky.On a side note, a few weeks back I was shooting down the A14, towards Cambridge from BSE and couldn't quite believe what I saw on the opposite side slip road. A marked police vehicle almost buried totally in a hedge with a copper trying to do a sniper spot with his speed gun. Even as a copper myself I thought it was bad form and was appalled. If your gonna do it as a marked unit, then do it and be visible. Leave the sneaky stuff to the unmarked patrols.How accurate are those speed guns in terms of target at a distance? I rounded a corner about 15 over the speed limit and saw a copper pointing one towards me about 500 meters away. Obviously slammed on the brakes, I was over the limit when I saw him which meant he saw me. Was expecting his pal in the car to pull me. They ignored me, which I thought was lucky and odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebendyfox Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 It boils down to force Policy, that's all. Some cameras are painted yellow to be seen, and they can recover a certain percentage of revenue from fines. Same for camera vans. Some will put signage out, some won't. Some will actively declare where they will be on their website beforehand. There's no hard and fast rule about being sneaky.On a side note, a few weeks back I was shooting down the A14, towards Cambridge from BSE and couldn't quite believe what I saw on the opposite side slip road. A marked police vehicle almost buried totally in a hedge with a copper trying to do a sniper spot with his speed gun. Even as a copper myself I thought it was bad form and was appalled. If your gonna do it as a marked unit, then do it and be visible. Leave the sneaky stuff to the unmarked patrols.How accurate are those speed guns in terms of target at a distance? I rounded a corner about 15 over the speed limit and saw a copper pointing one towards me about 500 meters away. Obviously slammed on the brakes, I was over the limit when I saw him which meant he saw me. Was expecting his pal in the car to pull me. They ignored me, which I thought was lucky and odd. AFAIK they need to be a certain distance in order to be reliable and accepted in court, depending on the model of "gun". Google tells me that a laser-gun has a range of about a mile, whereas a radar version is only effective up to 300yrds.Also - a motorbike at speed is a slightly harder "target" than a car. I am also of the firm (eg. naieve ) belief that many traffic police are "sensible biker friendly", which may have helped your cause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBrightside Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 It boils down to force Policy, that's all. Some cameras are painted yellow to be seen, and they can recover a certain percentage of revenue from fines. Same for camera vans. Some will put signage out, some won't. Some will actively declare where they will be on their website beforehand. There's no hard and fast rule about being sneaky.On a side note, a few weeks back I was shooting down the A14, towards Cambridge from BSE and couldn't quite believe what I saw on the opposite side slip road. A marked police vehicle almost buried totally in a hedge with a copper trying to do a sniper spot with his speed gun. Even as a copper myself I thought it was bad form and was appalled. If your gonna do it as a marked unit, then do it and be visible. Leave the sneaky stuff to the unmarked patrols.How accurate are those speed guns in terms of target at a distance? I rounded a corner about 15 over the speed limit and saw a copper pointing one towards me about 500 meters away. Obviously slammed on the brakes, I was over the limit when I saw him which meant he saw me. Was expecting his pal in the car to pull me. They ignored me, which I thought was lucky and odd. Car or bike? most speed guns now are laser. If aimed properly they will give an extremely accurate reading as soon as your in sight and fully coming towards the speed gun. Radar works different and although very accurate, is being phased out by most forces. Most of the time they will have the speed logged before you can have time to see them and react. A lot of coppers will use discretion, and will probably 'zap' a few times to see if you have slowed. If not, its tug time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Earl Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 Its acutally Humberside police operating in my neck of the woods.Ive attached a screen shot of where he was hiding when I was caught. Just infront of the national sign, on the left side.I know its no excuse for speeding, but I was distracted by the boy being naughty in the back of the car, he'd of seen me looking over my shoulder.Looked round and saw him. Didn't know if i was speeding or not. That is his usual spot to hide, So I'm normallly aware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBrightside Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm sure you'll be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Speed camera partnerships need to be visible, police can be as covert as they wish.Welsh forces uses the bloody helicopter. Or hide in a horse box.http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/horsebox1RFE_468X649.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeman Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Motorbikes have a small cross section and dont have a nice reflective front numberplate to aim the laser at (like cars).So it makes sense that a cars speed can be read at a greater distance than a bike.Biggest reflective part on the front of a bike is the headlight... good excuse to buy a New R1 with its tiny little froggy-eye lights?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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