I don't have an issue with people slagging down a particular brand, but tarring all with the same brush is not very sporting, it's like saying all german car drivers are w**kers because you had a smidsy with an Audi driver, my bike is chinese and have had no issues whatsover in the 17 months i have had it, yes i may have been lucky but many UM owners have had no issues either That's cos you're a sensitive soul who treats your Xena politely whereas most of us thrash the tits off our bikes. Maybe living in a throwaway society hasn't helped with regard to looking after things like bikes, " oh it's okay it was only cheap i'll buy a new one" it's this attitude that has been the downfall of good quality products, and again it is Joe public that is mainly to blame, they don't want to spend and then take care of things to make them last, then when it breaks they blame others for their carelessness, it's about time people stopped bitching and get their fingers out and learn how to fix and repair things, so you have a bike with a rusty frame, well repaint the thing, it has dodgy electrics, learn how to use a multimeter, the more i think about it the more i get dismayed at the lack of actual ability of a large proportion of the human race who can't do jack except whinge i'm off now to play with some wheels and tighten some spokes up ready for the new rubber for Florence