You know me too well [mention]fastbob[/mention] but seriously there are merits for both sides of the argument, i agree that if buying new, chinese is not a viable option in the short term you will lose money, long term ownership is where the benefits are with regular maintenance and looking after, buying older also has it's pitfalls, and there are some wrecks out there for the unwary, most 125's are a stepping stone on the road to bigger bikes, and most have been heavily used and abused but they hold there value and in the short term will get you through to the other side of the road, where the big bikes are, you will need to decide on what you want to achieve in terms of gaining a full licence and how long you aim to take in getting it, the bike is only the start or in most cases the last thing to consider