I've amended the route to add my home start location and end and it turned it into 235m 7hr route. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Kirkby+Lonsdale&daddr=Shap,+Penrith+to:Penrith+to:ca93bw+to:Middleton-in-Teesdale,+Barnard+Castle+to:dl11+6ed+to:hawes+to:Kirkby+Lonsdale,+Carnforth&geocode=FQ8TOwMdPlzY_ylLkwJYFYZ8SDHyEZJ3dbrLLA%3BFXYSQAMdNSXX_ymrPuJFKPF8SDGFXoPAEnDFcA%3BFdMlQgMdVvbV_ylJOAtnkFV8SDFO-2tKJsrbRQ%3BFbjlQwMdMg3a_yk7PFPjX6t9SDGJf6eQcUmpTQ%3BFU57QQMdj0vg_ykzzwaf6jZ8SDHA32ztnvkMBQ%3BFRTtPgMdJgnf_ylp78P4XkB8SDEcmuv2vQ9rfw%3B%3B&hl=en&mra=ls&dirflg=h&sll=54.505137,-2.3703&sspn=0.66819,1.755066&ie=UTF8&ll=54.479613,-2.3703&spn=0.668607,1.755066&z=9 Not sure if my butt can take that, if others from my area are going then it would be lazy and rude not too!! BB