St. Pauls Cathedral

[nman1]

What the hell do these people hope to gain by losing one of our bigest tourist attractions £20k per day. No doubt the up-keep will fall to the tax payer or London resident due to the short fall caused by these silly twats.

I have no objections to the freedom to protest but what the hell will disrupting St. Pauls do to their cause. Sorry but I`m at a loss

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15457669

[Throttled]

As much as politicians and bankers take the piss out of us, the decent masses, so do these protester wallies.

[tryme]

you cant make an omlette without breaking a few eggs

[nman1]

I might just be being a bit thick here but how the hell will depriving a tourist magnet and therefore a money spinner, change what the feck there`re supposed to be protesting about.

Now if it was St Pauls charging too much for entry then fair enough.

And why arn`t the lazy bar stewards in work, I am, if they should be then I hope it`s coming off their annual leave or the boss catches them out throwing a sickie

[tryme]

would have to agree they are shooting themselves in the foot a bit but at the end of the day something needs to be done.

if were all being ripped off any way what difference will it make if the countries losing out on more money? we dont see any of it any way we just get bumped by the government mate.

thats my pennies worth

[techno]

I would be surprised if they have jobs!

[Mawsley]

I might just be being a bit thick here but how the hell will depriving a tourist magnet and therefore a money spinner, change what the feck there`re supposed to be protesting about.

 

Maybe I'm being thick too - but how does a few tents outside the place prevent it from continuing as "a tourist magnet"?

The last I saw, the tents had been re-arranged at the front as to allow easy access to the front and it didn't prevent a wedding taking place there last weekend.

I may fail to see the point of their protest but it's a peaceful one - and if you ban peaceful protests then what avenues does anyone have left in order to voice their opinion?

Carry On Camping, I say.

http://www.moviepostermem.com/images/products/square/f49245f1-9cba-4a63-a2c3-4239bf373ac7.jpg

[Bogof]

I might just be being a bit thick here but how the hell will depriving a tourist magnet and therefore a money spinner, change what the feck there`re supposed to be protesting about.

 

They are still getting lots of media coverage, which is pretty much all they want from the protest at a guess. It's all been so effective that even you have been moved to discuss them, so as a means of highlighting their cause, they've had a good result so far.

[Paul]

I might just be being a bit thick here but how the hell will depriving a tourist magnet and therefore a money spinner, change what the feck there`re supposed to be protesting about.

 

They are still getting lots of media coverage, which is pretty much all they want from the protest at a guess. It's all been so effective that even you have been moved to discuss them, so as a means of highlighting their cause, they've had a good result so far.

 

Absolutely spot on there.

Remember a few months ago when the sons of islam were going to protest at Wotton Bassett and everyone went mad in disgust, well, this is the same, it's all about publicity as mentioned in the post above. What would be the point of protesting somewhere crap like the local town hall where no one would bat an eye-lid. As said, they have got people talking, even on a biker forum so it's working a treat at the moment highlighting whatever it is they are protesting about!

[Bogof]

Absolutely spot on there.

As said, they have got people talking, even on a biker forum so it's working a treat at the moment highlighting whatever it is they are protesting about!

 

And the real irony is that those that most despise what they are doing, are the very ones that are shouting loudest and getting them the most coverage

[nman1]

I have no objections to the freedom to protest but what the hell will disrupting St. Pauls do to their cause. Sorry but I`m at a loss

The last sentence in my original thread clearly states I`m NOT against freedom to protest, and I gather from the news this morning that they have moved the tents aside to allow access and therefore open the doors once more. (They also siad that they had used heat cameras to check the tents at night cus half the protestors were going home to sleep) If the protest is political why not set up camp outside the gates of the road leading to 10 Downing Street. I`m sure the publicity would be equal to what they have received now.

Other non-political places they could have chosen that may have a smidgen of a link to their cause could be.......

Madam Tussaurds....may stop peolpe seeing life size replicas of famous politicians

London Dungeon..... "we`ll show them what might happen if they don`t do what we want"

Natural History Museum.... Possible link to House of Lords, being full of old fossils.

The Globe Theater... link with the Tudor Period in which Sir Francis Drake was a pirate accross the seas bringing capitalist goods back to England for us all to enjoy.

All above have been mentioned with tounge in cheek, but if someone can give me any good reason why they chose St Pauls then I`ll be more than happy to listen. Perhaps we can dig so far down into Freuds way of thinking we must be able to come up with some tangible answer, surely.

Me personally, I`ll carry on worrying about my work load and what I`m going to have for tea tonight.

[Guest philgale]

that article does say its loosing £20k a day not making....

unless the protesters are loosing them £20k a day...i don't know

[nman1]

Yes Phil, bacause they had to close, (due to health and safety reasons ffs) brought on by the campers, the Cathedral lost 20k per day in tourist revenue.

[OhJay]

They're camped there 'coz it's right outside the stock exchange.

One of the most well written pieces I've read on these protests is here:

knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/occupy-wall-street

It's slightly protester sympathetic but gives a decent background to where it actually started and where they came from.

Warning: You are likely to lose a morning to reading this

[tryme]

also, they tried to go further but got barricaded in from going any further

[Grumpy Old Git]

They did not close the entry to the Cathedral - This was done by the 'management' for H&S reasons. No-one has saw fit to publish those 'reasons' which, if you adopt common sense' are not 'reasons' at all!

If the Cathedral had not closed, then any protestor who abused the puiblic, denied entry or otherwise' caused a disturbance of the peace' could have been arrested and removed. If the protesters were demmed to be 'a danger to the public' then they would have been moved on / dispersed.

As always - a 'fuss' blown out of all proportion by the media, H&S 'experts' and other 'publicity seekers'.

Faslane Nuclear Submarine Base remains open, yet the protesters are (still) camped there.

'nuff said.

[Tango]

HHmmmmmm.....maybe the location for the next TMBF rally has been revealed! Plenty of pubs round there too..... And Bike parking....

[bex]

according to the paper today most of the protestors atleast have the sense to go home at night lol

personally i am at a loss as to what they are protesting about but atleast they have not been hijacked by anorchists like all other protests have been. i hope this doesnt happen

[Aaron]

Like someone already said, the cathedral just happens to be right opposite the LSE.

The reason they're protesting is because the gap in wealth between rich and poor is that largest it's ever been, and is growing. They are seeing the banks and huge corporations dodging tax, engaging in reckless and often fraudulent financial practises, and recieving taxpayer funded bailouts when those (deliberately) reckless gambles fail.

I personally find it encouraging for the fact that it's raising awareness, as mentioned above. But I don't actively support them, for now at least, because a large proportion of them (and the same goes for the rest of the #occupy movement around the world) don't understand why they are there, or are coopting the movement for other aims which are in my opinion a bad thing. And many of those that do understand what's going on do not understand who is their real enemy.

The movement is full of people who call them selves anti-capitalist, who don't understand that what we're experiencing isn't even capitalism. At least not the Adam Smith kind of capitalism. These people need to understand that the real enemy is the government which sponsor the behaviour of the big banks and corporations. It's corporate fascism, or corporatism, that is causing suffering. Not capitalism.

Then of course you have all of the real anti-capitalists, socialists, & communists, which is why I'm very reluctant to get behind the movement at this stage.

Now, as far as the employment status of the protesters is concerned, most of them are young. Revolutionary periods have always been led by the younger generations because they have less to lose by protesting. They often don;t have mortgages to pay, and children to home, or spouses' welfare to consider. They also have experienced fewer years to build up an inpenetrable wall of apathy.

They also have the most to lose if things continue unchanged. They are the ones who won't get a state pension when they retire. They are the ones who will find their retirement age upped to 70 years. They are the ones saving for a house deposit while central banks print billions of pounds to bail out banks, inflating those savings away. They are the first generation in history who's prospects are worse than their parents.

As for actual protesting - i'm not fussed. It would be much more effective for the movement to target stock prices, or to remove their money from the system. When they realise that they have power in numbers they will cause things to happen. Hopefully by then they'll also understand who the real enemy they should be targeting is.

 

but atleast they have not been hijacked by anorchists like all other protests have been. i hope this doesnt happen

 

May I ask why you don't like anarchists? (not being funny, just curious). I find the ideal of anarchy the most noble and moral or all. In fact it is the only morally pure system out there. I've no problem with people pointing out potential difficulties in implementation though.

But anyway, Neil, I suspect that as far as the protesters are concerned, any impact of tourist visits to St Pauls is entirely insignificant when viewed in the context of the problems they are trying to address. I personally agree, although I suspect that a decent sized chunk of the group are socialists who want to sponge off of other people's labour. Another big chunk aren't though.

[Paul]

That's a decent post mate.

[Aaron]

Obligatory epic-rant link to some kid who knows what it's all about.

It's at #OccupyWallStreet but it's all the same system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCsIqLPjP4A

[nman1]

Someone else`s life buggered up through this unusual camp site. Feck off to 10 downing street and see if the twat that lives there will do the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15532692