KTM21 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/10Standard/vid ... 388343350/I sort of feel sorry for the guy tbh Quote
fq-craigus Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Doubt he would have treated me like that. I think he took advantage of the fact the guy was a bit slow by the looks of it, i kind of feel sorry too Quote
Phooey Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 I would have smacked him back ... Shop lifting is wrong but so is assault.The shop lifter didn't look totally with it though which makes it worth. Quote
mailee66 Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Many moons ago when I was a young tearaway I was stopped by a policeman riding my bike on the pavement. He gave me a belt around the ear telling me to get off it. Then went on to ask me 'Wasn't that better than a visit to court' Got to agree it did sting a bit but was much better. There was also much more respect for the law back then. Quote
Mr Fro Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 I like the way the try-hard at the front is trying incredibly hard to ignore what's going on. Quote
Phooey Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 This is true, mailee66, but that wasn't a slap. That was assault plus this guy didn't look like he had all of his marbles. He may have needed help not a smacking. And to humiliate further by filming it and putting it all over the internet is diabolical. IMHO.And as you said, times were differenet back them. If I went home and told by parents a copper clipped me round the ear I would be in big trouble. If a copper clipped someone round the ear today apart from the copper getting in the shit the parents would probably not give a damn what their little angel did and likely be pissed off that the kid was stupid enough to get caught. Quote
KTM21 Posted June 13, 2015 Author Posted June 13, 2015 I wonder if it counts as theft though as he didn't actually leave the shop, the shopkeeper could probably get done for what he did. Quote
Throttled Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 I wonder if it counts as theft though as he didn't actually leave the shop, the shopkeeper could probably get done for what he did. It doesn't, the crime of theft by shoplifting needs the person to have left the shop, or walked passed tills to the door so clearly no intention of paying. The guy with the bag was brought from the back of the shop and showed no intention of leaving. So the only crime witnessed there was a repeated assault by the shop keeper. The guy saying "sorry" suggests an admission there was an intention to steal, but he could also be trying to placate the shopkeeper to end the assault. The assault itself is interesting as it probably has an ethnic element to it. Slapping as a form of punishment is used by Muslims and in particular Sikhs, who would not necessarily consider such as unreasonable. Their culture would mean dishing out some retribution and if they even bother to call the police, they too are likely to give the thief a few slaps as well. The slap is designed to humiliate and deter, the shopkeeper is not actually beating the other man up. My attitude is that both should get a warning and no further action which would be a waste of the courts time. Quote
fq-craigus Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Theft is when 'a person dishonestly apropriates property belonging to another with the intent of permenantly depriving the other of it' Now if he isnt all there maybe he should have a carer with him to explain how real world transactions take place so therefore was it dishonest? As for a slap being a way to shame yes it is but this guy was clearly english with far east descent so he knows what assault is. No excuse for the actions of the shop assistant if i done that when i used to work in retail i would have been sacked and arrested Quote
RicKsTa Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 I wonder if it counts as theft though as he didn't actually leave the shop, the shopkeeper could probably get done for what he did. It doesn't, the crime of theft by shoplifting needs the person to have left the shop, or walked passed tills to the door so clearly no intention of paying. The guy with the bag was brought from the back of the shop and showed no intention of leaving. So the only crime witnessed there was a repeated assault by the shop keeper. The guy saying "sorry" suggests an admission there was an intention to steal, but he could also be trying to placate the shopkeeper to end the assault. The assault itself is interesting as it probably has an ethnic element to it. Slapping as a form of punishment is used by Muslims and in particular Sikhs, who would not necessarily consider such as unreasonable. Their culture would mean dishing out some retribution and if they even bother to call the police, they too are likely to give the thief a few slaps as well. The slap is designed to humiliate and deter, the shopkeeper is not actually beating the other man up. My attitude is that both should get a warning and no further action which would be a waste of the courts time. Muslims are Muslims following the KoranSikhs are punjabi and follow Sikhism2 different religions and both a million miles different from each other. Both are supposed to be peaceful and I cant see any of their religions accepting this. This lad speaks good enough English to know that this behaviour is wrong. The shopkeeper needs to be done for assault. Yes shoplifting is wrong, but it's something that's dealt with by the Police. I manage a retail shop and anyone caught behaving like this would be prosecuted in court and also dismissed for gross misconduct. It is not acceptable. Quote
eastanglianbiker Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 at the end of the day no offence had been committed due to the guy having not left the shop so plain and simply was a case of assault or abh on the guy with the bag who i have to agree does seem to possibly have problems of his own Quote
humbucker Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 At the point that the shopkeeper took hold of the man, the full elements of 'theft' would have been very hard to prove. The intention to permanently deprive may have been there but could you get a case past a jury, or even magistrates based on what you saw? Seriously doubt it.I dont give a rats ass what the shopkeeper's religion or culture says, the law of the UK, if that is where it took place, is what counts and what he did was way and beyond reasonable force in the course of preventing a crime from being committed. Imagine if the Police 'did' treat anyone like that? The papers this morning would have been full of horror stories about how a man with mental health issues was beaten by them, Police state etc, blah blah. If that shopkeeper thinks that posting this is some sort of crime fighting hero worship of himself, he may well find this all goes horribly wrong for him. And I hope it does. I fully understand that running a business is tough and thieves make life a misery, but I wonder if the caped crusader would behave like that when a bunch of chavs come in and start stripping his shelves? Quote
Six30 Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 He wasn't thieving he was trying to put out of date stuff back he bought the day before. Quote
Guest Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 I want to go to this shop and steal something... Quote
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