Hoggs Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Hello my lovely pitstop folkSo here's a new one for you. Last year I had a couple of times when starting the bike after work when the lights and everything came on but there was nothing on the starter. No turn over no noise, nowt. Turning it off and on again and a bit of jiggling would get it started no problems.Over the last week it has been getting a bit more frequent, at first I thought it may have been the killswitch sticking as flicking that on and off, then it would start. Then jiggling the choke around a bit would get it going.However today I tested a new theory which is so far working... I normally always start the bike with the clutch pulled in (as I don't really trust the neutral light), but it is now not starting like this - however starting it with the clutch lever out and it's as good as gold and starts first time. Suggestions on where to start please! Quote
Westbeef Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Don't pull the clutch lever when starting the bike?Problem solved Sorrrry couldn't resist. Quote
Hoggs Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 Don't pull the clutch lever when starting the bike?Problem solved Sorrrry couldn't resist. When you get a proper bike you will learn to fix stuff rather than just bodge it Beefy!!!! Quote
Stu Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Obviously it's electrical and if you think it's related to the clutch then I would be checking everything that is linked to it Firstly the clutch switch and side stand switch Also check all connections where the wiring runs through connector blocks Quote
Hoggs Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Obviously it's electrical and if you think it's related to the clutch then I would get Hoggfather up to check everything that is linked to it That's a good idea... of course I would like to help you awesome - But seriously the new lever had a small extra bit for kwaks and I do wonder if that is somehow responsible (even though it did happen before I swapped them, it wasn't as frequesnt)Also the neutral light doesn't always come on (even though it is 100% in N) so maybe that's connected? Edited January 9, 2017 by Hoggs Quote
Westbeef Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Don't pull the clutch lever when starting the bike?Problem solved Sorrrry couldn't resist. When you get a proper bike you will learn to fix stuff rather than just bodge it Beefy!!!! That's the danger! I've been trying to do that and really look after this bike, I've just made everything worse Quote
Westbeef Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 In a bid to try and not be a total twat all the time, this may help:http://www.kawiforums.com/zzr600-zx-6r-old-school/109883-how-repair-clutch-switch.html Quote
Hoggs Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 Surprisingly helpful, thanks beefy - I will let you know the results on Saturday! Quote
JRH Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 of course I would like to help you awesome ? No he did not. Quote
JRH Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Obviously it's electrical and if you think it's related to the clutch then I would get Hoggfather up to check everything that is linked to it That's a good idea... of course I would like to help you awesome - But seriously the new lever had a small extra bit for kwaks and I do wonder if that is somehow responsible (even though it did happen before I swapped them, it wasn't as frequesnt)Also the neutral light doesn't always come on (even though it is 100% in N) so maybe that's connected? Will call you later. Quote
Stu Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Also the neutral light doesn't always come on (even though it is 100% in N) so maybe that's connected? Ah This could be the problem a lot of bike require the light to be on before it will start if the stand is down Your gear position sensor may be suspect Quote
JRH Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 of course I would like to help you awesome ? No he did not. Looking at the simplified circuit for Kermit.Clutch lever out. bike should startClutch lever in Neutral switch needs to be made and neutral light on.There are other options re the side stand switch, but if it goes OK with clutch out do that. I might look at when I come down. Quote
Hoggs Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 This could be the problem a lot of bike require the light to be on before it will start if the stand is down Your gear position sensor may be suspect I think it is sketchy, if I KNOW it is in neutral I can (very carefully!!) release the clutch and eventually the light will come on I also try not to start it if the side stand is down but I know that if I do try and go into first it will cut out... so that bit is working at least Quote
Stu Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 The whole system can be a pain in the arse! It could be anything from a switch to the gear position sensor and anything in between! Gear position sensors hardly die instead they get a film over them that causes them to lose connection! Cleaning them with a bit of wet and dry fixes them Quote
Hoggs Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 Hmm I imagine everything is covered in greasy dirty film Perils of all weather riding Looks like Saturday will be a take everything apart and clean it day Quote
JRH Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 looking at the circuit there is not a gear sensor switch, only a neutral sensor. The bike will start with out that making. The quick mod is to short the clutch switch out then it should start. Quote
TimR Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Check the connection on the starter solenoid Where the main 30a fuse is as this can melt slightly and the fuse blades can dirty up and loose contacts Quote
Stu Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 The sensor is normally behind the clutch in a nice oil bath Quote
Stu Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 looking at the circuit there is not a gear sensor switch, only a neutral sensor. The bike will start with out that making. The quick mod is to short the clutch switch out then it should start. Bollocks Forget the gear position sensor then! Quote
Grumpy Old Git Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Are you suggesting that 'Bollocks' is the fault (lack of them perhaps?) - if so, I can't find them listed on the wiring diagram for Hoggs bike.... Quote
Stu Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Are you suggesting that 'Bollocks' is the fault (lack of them perhaps?) - if so, I can't find them listed on the wiring diagram for Hoggs bike.... They are next to the fumfum valve! Quote
Ricco1 Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 I've had 2 doses of erratic starting with my GN125. The first one was some light corrosion on the starter button contact. A quick scrape with a small screwdriver sorted that one. The second time was due to another bad contact that was solved by spraying wd40 down the keyhole with the key in, wiggle it backwards and forwards a bit, sorted. Very easy fixes, might be worth a try. Quote
Grumpy Old Git Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 Are you suggesting that 'Bollocks' is the fault (lack of them perhaps?) - if so, I can't find them listed on the wiring diagram for Hoggs bike.... They are next to the fumfum valve! Ah.. That explains it. I did not look at that part of the 'exploded' diagram. Should have really as the subtitle is 'Exploded Scrotum Parts'. My mistake. Quote
Hoggs Posted January 14, 2017 Author Posted January 14, 2017 welp. totally stripped both those screws trying to undo them. looks like I'm just going to have to get used to starting it with the clutch out Quote
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