Hours of work wording in contract

[winston smith]

Rich, as per previous comments, a union rep is a great place to start.

Broadly speaking, domestic rules don't really apply in the UK transport industry any more, and any company that runs hgv/lgv will run under EU rules by default.

All commercial drivers are bound by the working time directive. You can Google this, it's fairly straightforward in isolation (gets more complicated if you have tacho too tho).

The EU have been pushing for van drivers to be required to complete driver certificate of competency courses for a while now (hgv,lgv,bus drivers have had this for 10 years) but UK blocked it - taxi drivers in northern Ireland now have to do driver CPC training, so it's probably coming soon.

Incidentally, I did some work for Hermes about 20-25 years ago ( called something else back then) they were crap even then, managers seemed to think there were 36 hours in each day, nowhere was more than 5 minutes from anywhere else, and the volume/payload of a transit was the same as an artic.

Hope you find a good solution

[Guest Richzx6r]

Rich, as per previous comments, a union rep is a great place to start.

Broadly speaking, domestic rules don't really apply in the UK transport industry any more, and any company that runs hgv/lgv will run under EU rules by default.

All commercial drivers are bound by the working time directive. You can Google this, it's fairly straightforward in isolation (gets more complicated if you have tacho too tho).

The EU have been pushing for van drivers to be required to complete driver certificate of competency courses for a while now (hgv,lgv,bus drivers have had this for 10 years) but UK blocked it - taxi drivers in northern Ireland now have to do driver CPC training, so it's probably coming soon.

Incidentally, I did some work for Hermes about 20-25 years ago ( called something else back then) they were crap even then, managers seemed to think there were 36 hours in each day, nowhere was more than 5 minutes from anywhere else, and the volume/payload of a transit was the same as an artic.

Hope you find a good solution

 

Aye sounds about right, I will win this battle come hell or high water

[NeilM]

What about the EU law realting to a maximum 48 hours a week? Or did the UK opt out?

 

No the uk didnt opt out.

Up to a few years back individuals could (i did) but nowadays its set as legislation.

But.....

It is not per week.

You can average over a month. So if like me you work shifts you may do X2 60 hr weeks and X2 24 hr weeks then get a week off.

We quite often with cover do x6 12 hour shifts on the bounce but then have to take the 7th off to balance the hours.

[TimR]

As he is sub 3.5t he will not be subject to eu driving regs unless he is towing commercially and then requires tachograph ( exemptions apply)

Horses mouth best place for advice is government

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driving-a-van#how-long-you-can-drive-for

[Stu]

As he is sub 3.5t he will not be subject to eu driving regs unless he is towing commercially and then requires tachograph ( exemptions apply)

Horses mouth best place for advice is government

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driving-a-van#how-long-you-can-drive-for

 

No one mentioned EU!

Try domestic

[TimR]

As he is sub 3.5t he will not be subject to eu driving regs unless he is towing commercially and then requires tachograph ( exemptions apply)

Horses mouth best place for advice is government

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driving-a-van#how-long-you-can-drive-for

 

No one mentioned EU!

Try domestic

I believe Winston Smith mentioned eu regs

And USDAW have their own information on this subject

Drivers-hours-and-Breaks_1 (1).pdf

[Six30]

Van needs a clean though rich...

[Guest Richzx6r]

As he is sub 3.5t he will not be subject to eu driving regs unless he is towing commercially and then requires tachograph ( exemptions apply)

Horses mouth best place for advice is government

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driving-a-van#how-long-you-can-drive-for

 

No one mentioned EU!

Try domestic

I believe Winston Smith mentioned eu regs

And USDAW have their own information on this subject

 

Thanks Tim I have just read it and what they are asking us to do is illegal by what that says, so I shall be using that when I have a chat to all the lads shortly

[Guest Richzx6r]

So I got pulled aside today from one of the managers who I have respect for and said that I was rocking the boat too much and management are getting very pissed off with me.....but I'm only making sure that the regulations are being adhered to so if that is rocking the boat then I'm guilty but he said they are thinking of taking action to shut me up......basically should I see this as they are worried that I know too much about the laws and they are worried that I will cause them a real headache.

What should I do??

[Stu]

Take a little step back!

you have given them food for thought

get other drivers on board without them knowing

be prepared to fight for your job

[Guest Richzx6r]

Take a little step back!

you have given them food for thought

get other drivers on board without them knowing

be prepared to fight for your job

 

Hey with what I have now found out they sack me and they are in bigger trouble than they know, the dvsa will be there within hours n I'll stand outside to watch the fireworks

[James in Brum]

Yes but that does not put money in your pocket over Christmas. I think you are doing the right thing but look after yourself. Talk to your union, ring the union’s number don’t worry about the local rep.

[Guest Richzx6r]

Yes but that does not put money in your pocket over Christmas. I think you are doing the right thing but look after yourself. Talk to your union, ring the union’s number don’t worry about the local rep.

 

Aye I'll get in contact with the union directly

[NeilM]

Yes but that does not put money in your pocket over Christmas. I think you are doing the right thing but look after yourself. Talk to your union, ring the union’s number don’t worry about the local rep.

 

Aye I'll get in contact with the union directly

 

Phone the union and ask for the number of the full time official.

They should then arrange a meeting with your local reps. Your local reps should then cascade all information to yourselves.