Looking forward to seeing the Chinese bikes.

[RideWithStyles]

22 hours ago, laughsatcats said:

I see the propoganda, brainwashing and hypocrisy is strong with this thread.

My yound padowan.

So who’s that aimed at?

 

if your aiming at me, Err no from actual experience of knowing a risk, owning one, getting a bit burnt through no fault of my own. I mostly enjoyed the bike but it came with far more woes than any other 15-20 year olds with many miles on and owners.

 

talking to numerous dealer garage workers and independent mechanics that Don’t have an affiliation with that brand to get to the bottom and understanding the issues…

 

yes there is a difference to multinational companies working together and another going their own way with either design and manufacturing of a components or a unit of a whole, could be cam, valves, turbos, mother boards, seats, switches or chassis, looms, software.

When it’s that cheap and easy to just do it yourself without any over bearing overload above you to govern, it’s a long term game of gains, I get that,

how or why they go about it and for what reason is always in question.

Some get it right or just about gets it and some get it very wrong… doesn’t matter if it’s ford, Honda, ktm, Volvo, bmw/mini, Mercedes, smart, fiat or anyone else from the upcoming far east.

so would you trust brembo to make brakes that is their main business and success with it for so long or an engine/gearbox to do its job if either came from a start up from somewhere you didnt know?

most TVs and dvd components were sourced from Phillips, even giant like Sony and so forth, only when you bought a Bravia model did you get their own make/design of certain components.

from my old bike I could tell which parts most likely came from where…
 

as with sub brands, yes Brembo and byebre or Yokohama and Shinko tyres or merc and smart, but made to a different spec or place or the impression of quality.
is it good or bad? Depends really, byebre, smart and shinko to name a few isn’t bad in general but many got burnt or wish to avoid.

again depends on how low a parent firm wishes then to go.

how many posts do we get asking for help on bikes? How much of a difference is it that it’s a far east bike over another from jap or else where? how common is these faults?  A lot more.

 

again I don’t have a whole downer about it and china but just saying again, I think they still have some way to go, it’s not a matter of if but when they get to the standard that main players have spent years getting to.

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, RideWithStyles said:

So who’s that aimed at?

 

if your aiming at me, Err no from actual experience of knowing a risk, owning one, getting a bit burnt through no fault of my own. I mostly enjoyed the bike but it came with far more woes than any other 15-20 year olds with many miles on and owners.

 

talking to numerous dealer garage workers and independent mechanics that Don’t have an affiliation with that brand to get to the bottom and understanding the issues…

 

yes there is a difference to multinational companies working together and another going their own way with either design and manufacturing of a components or a unit of a whole, could be cam, valves, turbos, mother boards, seats, switches or chassis, looms, software.

When it’s that cheap and easy to just do it yourself without any over bearing overload above you to govern, it’s a long term game of gains, I get that,

how or why they go about it and for what reason is always in question.

Some get it right or just about gets it and some get it very wrong… doesn’t matter if it’s ford, Honda, ktm, Volvo, bmw/mini, Mercedes, smart, fiat or anyone else from the upcoming far east.

so would you trust brembo to make brakes that is their main business and success with it for so long or an engine/gearbox to do its job if either came from a start up from somewhere you didnt know?

most TVs and dvd components were sourced from Phillips, even giant like Sony and so forth, only when you bought a Bravia model did you get their own make/design of certain components.

from my old bike I could tell which parts most likely came from where…
 

as with sub brands, yes Brembo and byebre or Yokohama and Shinko tyres or merc and smart, but made to a different spec or place or the impression of quality.
is it good or bad? Depends really, byebre, smart and shinko to name a few isn’t bad in general but many got burnt or wish to avoid.

again depends on how low a parent firm wishes then to go.

how many posts do we get asking for help on bikes? How much of a difference is it that it’s a far east bike over another from jap or else where? how common is these faults?  A lot more.

 

again I don’t have a whole downer about it and china but just saying again, I think they still have some way to go, it’s not a matter of if but when they get to the standard that main players have spent years getting to.

 

If you  are going to try and "soap box"quite so  hard maybe some statistics and facts might be helpful other than just parroting   whan you have been taught by your masters.

 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, S-Westerly said:

Actually I don't trust China to make a damned thing and whenever possible try not to buy something from there even if it costs more. 

So you'll stop buying almost everything in existence? Great job, you really showed them.

[Throttled]

The Chinese and Indian built bikes at the motorbike show, all displayed vastly improved build quality from even 5 years ago, when they were synonymous of poor welding and flimsy plastics. With the way they are undercutting other makers and the impending price rises due to tariff trade wars, I expect to see a huge increase in Chinese and Indian bikes on our roads over the next few years.

[RideWithStyles]

19 hours ago, laughsatcats said:

If you  are going to try and "soap box"quite so  hard maybe some statistics and facts might be helpful other than just parroting   whan you have been taught by your masters.

 

I have no f+++ing idea what you’re on about, I’m not soaping anything and very rude to say that sort of BS when you have no idea.

I said as previously, have actually have been through it and explained the reason for the out come.

 facts I did state and said they will get there soon if you bothered, you still blindly ignore it as it leaves a stain on your view as you want to justify your purchase or you’ve got some personal interest to gain.

If you don’t have problems with that bike throughout the years then great, as it should be.

if you do then hope its quick, easy, has no repeat recurrence but don’t be surprised if it does and hear others say “told you so”.

Edited March 30 by RideWithStyles

[Mickly]

I’m slightly puzzled by the aftermarket parts support for bikes made in China, I used to work in the 4 wheeled version of that arena & know that the company I worked for made more money from the aftermarket than actually selling cars.

I can only assume that the Chinese bike manufacturers see their products as being so cheap that they are essentially disposable, if it breaks just throw it away & buy a new bike. (which would be a lot cheaper and have a much smaller mark up than say, a replacement Range Rover bumper)

[Guest]

1 hour ago, RideWithStyles said:

I have no f+++ing idea what you’re on about, I’m not soaping anything and very rude to say that sort of BS when you have no idea.

I said as previously, have actually have been through it and explained the reason for the out come.

 facts I did state and said they will get there soon if you bothered, you still blindly ignore it as it leaves a stain on your view as you want to justify your purchase or you’ve got some personal interest to gain.

If you don’t have problems with that bike throughout the years then great, as it should be.

if you do then hope its quick, easy, has no repeat recurrence but don’t be surprised if it does and hear others say “told you so”.

No need to get upset, control your emotions and let's just acceptthat not everyone agrees. Ride safe brother.

[Guest]

On 29/03/2025 at 16:12, billysugger said:

As most of you probably know, I have a stoma, do have to wear a bag to collect output. In the summer these can become uncomfortable, so this year I thought I would buy some covers. I looked online, as they don't seem to be available elsewhere unless on mail order,  and found some fairly decent ones, so duly ordered them, thinking nothing of the postage time. They're made in bloody China.

Everything is made in China. This is because China hasa greater manufacturing power than the rest of the world combined x2.  So if  everyone wants stuff to stay cheap, show some appreciationand respect for this  quiet, respectful behemoth.

[billysugger]

How much of this cheap stuff, from the likes of shein and temu, is made via the "re-education camps where the minority ethnic people are incarcerated? I mean, how can they make a profit if you can buy something for a couple of quid and free postage? I don't think it's the local pixies 

( pinnochio)

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On 29/03/2025 at 11:11, ChrisBiggsUK said:

As long as someone is on two wheels, I don't really care what they choose to ride.  We all choose a bike we like and hop on it to feel the wind in our ever receding hairlines, the adrenaline coursing through our ever expanding (sideways) bodies and the vibrations of the engine rattling every one of our increasingly aching bones.

Two wheels good.  Four wheels bad.  I think Orwell said that.

it was einstein

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

7 hours ago, laughsatcats said:

it was einstein

Nope. What Einstein said was that one day every quote would be wrongly attributed to him. 

[S-Westerly]

9 hours ago, laughsatcats said:

Everything is made in China. This is because China hasa greater manufacturing power than the rest of the world combined x2.  So if  everyone wants stuff to stay cheap, show some appreciationand respect for this  quiet, respectful behemoth.

Quiet day at the embassy is it?

[Throttled]

14 hours ago, Mickly said:

I’m slightly puzzled by the aftermarket parts support for bikes made in China, I used to work in the 4 wheeled version of that arena & know that the company I worked for made more money from the aftermarket than actually selling cars.

I can only assume that the Chinese bike manufacturers see their products as being so cheap that they are essentially disposable, if it breaks just throw it away & buy a new bike. (which would be a lot cheaper and have a much smaller mark up than say, a replacement Range Rover bumper)

 

I did look at parts availability, both spares and accessories are presently on sale from Italy, which fits with Bologna being the HQ and design centre. I would hope that bikes that are now hitting the same prices as major opposition, such as the Honda Rebel in the case of the C1002V, that there is not a throw it away attitude. My impression of China has been make do and mend and what is cheap crap to us is all they can get. As they have rapidly developed over the past few decades, will they become a disposable nation like we are? I do not know.

 

I also think there have been problems regarding parts, because Chinese bikes get imported to the UK by small, often start up companies, who then fall by the wayside, leaving no one to get parts for the bikes here. That Morbidelli is part of the Benelli, Keeway group and there is European management, I think we are entering a new phase of how the bikes are imported and supported.

[Grandads Mug]

Was over in Morroco for a few days where 70% of the bikes must be Docker, a Chinese brand that has flooded the market. Anyone can ride a moped over there without a licence and it seems they all buy Docker as a first option so they must have something going for them other than price.