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[manxie49]

One of our local politicians (A greeny surprise, surprise) is intending to turn all 30mph roads in towns and villages into 20mph roads (copying Wales), This has already begun. It will effectively see virtually the whole island, with the exception of a few roads, have a blanket 20mph speed limit enforced.  In a conversation, One local motorcycle dealer has already muted concerns stating it could be the beginning of the end for him.  Others are saying that it'll put another nail in the coffin for TT & MGP, lets face it, a lot of people aren't going to pay through the nose to come here when all they can do is ride around in 1st gear.  A local biker has started a petition, and we're all trying to get support to have this absolute madness stopped, or at least reviewed by someone with a bit of real world common sense.  20mph achieves absolutely nothing and is little more than a money making virtue signal.

 

If you can please sign the attached petition and forward it around as many other bikers as possible, I believe it's already been sent to MAG?  Cheers.

 

https://www.change.org/p/halt-the-department-of-infrastructure-s-all-island-20mph-project

Edited March 8 by manxie49

[Ian Frog]

Done !

Cheers

Ian

[Mickly]

Signed

[Simon Davey]

Done

[Bender]

 

[JRH]

Done

[Fiddlesticks]

Same here in Wirral.

Nobody wanted it.

Consultation was overwhelmingly against.

So they did it anyway.

Despite being for all intents and purposes, bankrupt.

Why?

"Road safety" (one week).

"Saving the planet" (the next).

Real reason... Control.

Probably originated in some globalist think tank somewhere. Certainly not by the people they were elected to serve.

As per Tony Benn... "We are being managed, not represented".

Signed.

 

 

[RideWithStyles]

Filled.
Agree with fiddles that is what will be done. 

We may have a voice but its not the same as theirs, so the dictatorship will continue.

 

[Capt Sisko]

14 hours ago, Fiddlesticks said:

Consultation was overwhelmingly against.

The decision had already been made but councils know they have to go through a public consultation phase, which they do, knowing they're going to ignore the responses and they’ll be go ahead anyway.

 

The second part is councils are scared stiff of saying no. They’re frightened of being sued if they go against ‘best practice’, of criticising someone, applying common sense or simply saying, who’s stupid idea is this?

[manxie49]

Thanks everyone, every signature helps.  I personally think the decision is made, but there's no harm in letting them know how everyone feels.  Absolute disgrace, they just seem to be running rough shod over everyone, everywhere at minute.  

[Mawsley]

Had a look at their reasoning (https://www.gov.im/media/1376542/annual-road-safety-review-2020.pdf), and I'm struck with how much higher the accident rates are when compared to the UK.

 

AI says: "Road accident rates are often higher on islands compared to the UK due to a combination of factors including limited road infrastructure, higher population density on smaller islands, more challenging driving conditions like winding roads, limited alternative transportation options, and sometimes a higher proportion of young, inexperienced drivers, leading to more collisions per capita."

 

Still not sure I get it seeing as it would be easier to police due to there being fewer roads - and there must be data somewhere showing where most of the accidents happen. I'm not totally against speed limits if it's targeted to hit those hotspots. It's the lazy broad brush application I object to.

 

I love pottering along the B6047 and the B664. Space cadets on their crotch rockets have turned a large section into 40mph limits by ploughing through villages with race pipes and into a succession of hedges and road signs. I kinda blame them more than local officials.

 

The upside is that it's rarely policed - and if it is then vehicles coming the other way always flash. What would be criminal is for the IOM police to conduct more operations to fine people going over 20 than they would have to slow traffic down at accident blackspots.

 

 

TLDR: I have opinions but they're probably wrong.

[manxie49]

6 minutes ago, Mawsley said:

Had a look at their reasoning (https://www.gov.im/media/1376542/annual-road-safety-review-2020.pdf), and I'm struck with how much higher the accident rates are when compared to the UK.

 

AI says: "Road accident rates are often higher on islands compared to the UK due to a combination of factors including limited road infrastructure, higher population density on smaller islands, more challenging driving conditions like winding roads, limited alternative transportation options, and sometimes a higher proportion of young, inexperienced drivers, leading to more collisions per capita."

 

Still not sure I get it seeing as it would be easier to police due to there being fewer roads - and there must be data somewhere showing where most of the accidents happen. I'm not totally against speed limits if it's targeted to hit those hotspots. It's the lazy broad brush application I object to.

 

I love pottering along the B6047 and the B664. Space cadets on their crotch rockets have turned a large section into 40mph limits by ploughing through villages with race pipes and into a succession of hedges and road signs. I kinda blame them more than local officials.

 

The upside is that it's rarely policed - and if it is then vehicles coming the other way always flash. What would be criminal is for the IOM police to conduct more operations to fine people going over 20 than they would have to slow traffic down at accident blackspots.

 

 

TLDR: I have opinions but they're probably wrong.

This is the rub ....... Road traffic collisions on this island are pretty much few and far between.  Yes, like everywhere, we have the minor prangs, rear end shunts, but serious accidents and fatalities are indeed rare occurrences.  Even TT, bearing in mind how many bikes are here, only see's a flurry of minor spills. Yes, there have been fatalities during TT but they're now much less than they ever were historically.  Pretty much 80% of the roads they wish to enforce this lunacy on have never seen any accidents full stop.  My wife has been working on the front line of health over here for many years, and even she says that they rarely get anyone through the doors anymore following an RTC.  Most of her work is medical related.  Unfortunately the Island has a small group of very vocal people, mainly older, retired people who have moved over here, and cycling groups that are very proactive in lobbying politicians.  They pander to the net zero farce and see everything with an engine as the work of the devil.  They forget that it was motorsport that made this island famous.  Like everywhere now, the island is slowly sinking into the pan, infra structure is a mess, roads are a disaster and health care a joke, they keep dipping into the islands reserves to fund vainity projects, and word on the street is that this island could potentially be bankrupt by 2035.  `Sadly I think it's only going to get worse ...... A lot worse!

[Mawsley]

3 hours ago, manxie49 said:

This is the rub ....... Road traffic collisions on this island are pretty much few and far between.  Yes, like everywhere, we have the minor prangs, rear end shunts, but serious accidents and fatalities are indeed rare occurrences.  Even TT, bearing in mind how many bikes are here, only see's a flurry of minor spills. Yes, there have been fatalities during TT but they're now much less than they ever were historically.  Pretty much 80% of the roads they wish to enforce this lunacy on have never seen any accidents full stop.  My wife has been working on the front line of health over here for many years, and even she says that they rarely get anyone through the doors anymore following an RTC.  Most of her work is medical related.  Unfortunately the Island has a small group of very vocal people, mainly older, retired people who have moved over here, and cycling groups that are very proactive in lobbying politicians.  They pander to the net zero farce and see everything with an engine as the work of the devil.  They forget that it was motorsport that made this island famous.  Like everywhere now, the island is slowly sinking into the pan, infra structure is a mess, roads are a disaster and health care a joke, they keep dipping into the islands reserves to fund vainity projects, and word on the street is that this island could potentially be bankrupt by 2035.  `Sadly I think it's only going to get worse ...... A lot worse!

 

Well, if that's the case, then the good news is they won't be able to afford to employ police to catch you