I hope both drivers are prosecuted

[TC1474]

This is a case where both drivers should be prosecuted, not just the truck driver

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvid ... hicle.html

[Hoggs]

Whilst the truck driver was being a dangerous moron. Why was Mr Stockdale in the sodding middle lane when there was nothing in the inside lane AND AND!!! he was getting off at the next junction?

I hate middle lane drivers with a passion.

[Gin]

He's and Ex-special constable and he didn't know that driving in the middle lane for miles was dangerous?

What a prat..

No the Lorry shouldn't have rammed the side of his vehicle like that but god do I know the rage of a middle lane driver causing hell on motorways...

 

Mr Stockdale dialled 999 from his car phone, but was shocked when Northamptonshire Police told him their officers were busy chasing a stolen car.

{Sarcasm} The nerve of them!! {/Sarcasm}

Ugh, what an absolute prat.

[TC1474]

Had the truck driver just continued past in lane 1, then all this would have been avoided

[Glorian]

Dash cams in both front and back. Sitting in middle lane for no reason.

Bit of a busy body. Lorry driver acted like a stupid moron, but he was antagonizing the lorry but blocking the road..

[fullscreenaging]

Probably trying to drum up business for his company. He sells the cams that were in his vehicle.

[Gin]

Had the truck driver just continued past in lane 1, then all this would have been avoided

 

At one point (In the rear cam) you can see there is another lorry refusing to undertake, I'm guessing that its because undertaking is technically against the law.

Although I have spoken to a copper or two on this matter and they've said if they person you are undertaking is doing below the speed limit and you do not exceed the speed limit then technically your lane is just moving faster than theirs is.. But you can understand people who just don't want to take the risk.

This is made worse for the main lorry driver in this clip as he has to go into the third lane to pass them both, again not legal for him.

I can see why his blood would run hot over it..!

[Hoggs]

Probably trying to drum up business for his company. He sells the cams that were in his vehicle.

 

He does look like the kind of nob that would risk getting punted off the road for a few extra sales.

[Fozzie]

Lorries were being impatient and a bit weird. You see them determined to overtake rather than undertake.

Undertaking isn't against the law and you'd expect them to know that with it being their job! Beneath the speed limit I was led to believe by a copper that it's regarded as your lane making better progress.

Pair of planks. Although I see why the trucker was upset to begin with as it's a stressful job and then you come across a guy as arrogant as that. Dash cam footage can be used to prosecute these days, and I hope the gent selling them is undone by his own product catching him lane hogging in future.

He claims he was about to move to lane 1 to leave the motorway. He's tried to be clever with his wording there, but his actions in the video, along with that statement suggest he doesn't know the correct use of the lane. It's not there for you to be in when you want to leave the motorway after all, it's for normal traffic with nothing to overtake.

[Glorian]

Although I have spoken to a copper or two on this matter and they've said if they person you are undertaking is doing below the speed limit and you do not exceed the speed limit then technically your lane is just moving faster than theirs is..

 

 

Be careful with that. I was "Under taking" on the A12 because the outside lane had stopped as it always does due to idiots. So i went past on the bike not overly fast when a dick bag pulled out on me, this back when i had my chinese "bike". caused me a broken arm and a day off work. When the copper turned up about an hour later. He proceeded to make me admit blame because i was "under taking" not that the other driver pulled out without looking and DROVE OFF.

[Gin]

Yeah Glorian, I agree care is needed. Tis why I worded it like I had.. It's a very grey area between highway code / Law and coppers discretion..

I have to admit I try to never do it on the bike, if filtering I always go to the right of the cars or not at all.. For similar reasons though I've never had a crash like yours

[Hoggs]

Thats sucks Glorian. Especially as you were in a proper lane and making reasonable progress based on your lane conditions.

The other day I was filtering down the north circular between the inside and middle lane. There is a bike with L plates a fair way in front of me. There is also an onramp approaching.

Mr L Plates decides it would be a better idea to filter down the far left hand side between the inside lane and onramp so weaves between a van and a car and then weaves around all the traffic trying to merge in

[Glorian]

Well it was a painful lesson, But i have adjusted my riding for the better.

I make sure i go slow enough to stop, and loud enough people can hear me coming (Baffle out helps )

[TC1474]

Be careful with that. I was "Under taking" on the A12 because the outside lane had stopped as it always does due to idiots. So i went past on the bike not overly fast when a dick bag pulled out on me, this back when i had my chinese "bike". caused me a broken arm and a day off work. When the copper turned up about an hour later. He proceeded to make me admit blame because i was "under taking" not that the other driver pulled out without looking and DROVE OFF.

 

Undertaking is not illegal and has not been so since it was removed from the 1972 Road Traffic Act. Copper was wrong and unfortunately this occurs more and more where traffic cops do not know traffic law.

The only offence available is careless or dangerous driving, but it has to be established that the standard of driving fell well below the standard expected of a reasonably safe and competent driver or rider. The single act of undertaking is insufficient to prove that offence. Speed does not even enter the equation either.

If the undertaking vehicle weaves from lane to lane at high speed and it includes undertaking, then there may be a case to answer, but any copper who tells you that undertaking is illegal is talking out of their backside and they should know better.

If you were booked for the offence of undertaking, then let me know, because unless you rie or drive like a complete knob, then you commit no offence.

Even in crashes, the courts have had to accept that undertaking is legal and I have had a few where we have won the day because the defence used undertaking as ther statutory defence and have come unstuck big time, because ........ their client comitted the specific offence of centre lane hogging which is actually driving without reasonable cnsidertaion to other road users which is a sub section of section 3 of the 1988 Road traffic act, careless driving.

Apart from which the centre lane hogger also has a statutory duty of care (and this applies to all road users) to ensure that it is safe to return back to lane 1 (or any other lane) before they change lane.

So by all means, if any copper tells you in the future that it is illegal, feel free to give them my compliments and tell tem that they are talking out of their @rse and that if booked, you want your day in court where you will contest it.

[Six30]

Lorry driver should get a commendation...

[Fozzie]

Undertaking is not illegal and has not been so since it was removed from the 1972 Road Traffic Act. Copper was wrong and unfortunately this occurs more and more where traffic cops do not know traffic law.

The only offence available is careless or dangerous driving, but it has to be established that the standard of driving fell well below the standard expected of a reasonably safe and competent driver or rider. The single act of undertaking is insufficient to prove that offence. Speed does not even enter the equation either.

 

I thought this was the case but I don't like to be the chap who tells a copper "You got this bit wrong"! I'll be taking your number so if this ever occurs I know who to call mwaha!

[Joeman]

Do the police carry a copy of the highway code?

Would it p1ss them off if you politely asked them to point out the section of the highway code that stated undertaking was illegal??

That would be my course of action if ever I was tugged for undertaking.

I do it quite regularly on a certain roundabout slip road near my house. People pull off the dual carriageway and stay in the right lane leading to a roundabout. I regulalry "undertake" them as they are invariably driving at a snails pace and I have plenty of time to get passed them and negotiate the roundabout before they even arrive at the roundabout.

[Hoggs]

but I don't like to be the chap who tells a copper "You got this bit wrong"!

 

You strike me as the kind of chap would would love to tell a copper that

[soll]

but I don't like to be the chap who tells a copper "You got this bit wrong"!

 

You strike me as the kind of chap would would love to tell a copper that

 

I think fozzie should let Moo run the copper over in the smart car

[TC1474]

Do the police carry a copy of the highway code?

Would it p1ss them off if you politely asked them to point out the section of the highway code that stated undertaking was illegal??

 

Most don't carry a copy of the Highway Code. Some do. I used to carry a copy on the basis that when I pulled someone and asked them what the Highway Code said about whatever (usualy lane discipline) and they gave me a load of cr@p, I would give them a copy with the suggestion that they went away and read it after I had booked them

It does p1ss some off if you know the law better than they do. I have been pulled a couple of times for so called offences (one of which was undertaking) and he got freaked out when I not only quoted the law act and section, but also asked that he report me for the offences he spoke of as I really fancied a day off and a day in court would be fun as I wuld be contesting it.

When he asked me what my background was, I could see him go bright red with embarrasment. He stormed back to his car and did a formula 1 launch down the shoulder.

I would have hated to have been the next motorist he stopped

[Fozzie]

but I don't like to be the chap who tells a copper "You got this bit wrong"!

 

You strike me as the kind of chap would would love to tell a copper that

 

Well I did say I wouldn't "like" to, so it's not to say I wouldn't "love" to

I do like the work the police do, I only dislike the ones with a complex who talk to you like a teacher talking down to 5 year olds.

I'm very reserved in person, but it's oddly paired with a lack of tolerance for condescension, spite, and nonsense and the bad coppers always fail on the 1st one in that list

[bex]

can i just ask a question, this man says he was scared for his life, yet he didnt pull over and slow down, he didnt move away from the lorry at any point to avoid being hit, didnt stop, then followed the lorry? i smell a story of goading and baiting here.

and that photo of the dent, i am sorry but i would be suprised if that was done through that incident, it looks more like a carpark dink. hardly major, where are the photos of the side of the car showing this 3k damage?

[Gin]

can i just ask a question, this man says he was scared for his life, yet he didnt pull over and slow down, he didnt move away from the lorry at any point to avoid being hit, didnt stop, then followed the lorry? i smell a story of goading and baiting here.

and that photo of the dent, i am sorry but i would be suprised if that was done through that incident, it looks more like a carpark dink. hardly major, where are the photos of the side of the car showing this 3k damage?

All of this!

I thought the same things, especially about the Horrific damage to the side of his car then showing on little dent..

[MrBrightside]

Be careful with that. I was "Under taking" on the A12 because the outside lane had stopped as it always does due to idiots. So i went past on the bike not overly fast when a dick bag pulled out on me, this back when i had my chinese "bike". caused me a broken arm and a day off work. When the copper turned up about an hour later. He proceeded to make me admit blame because i was "under taking" not that the other driver pulled out without looking and DROVE OFF.

 

Undertaking is not illegal and has not been so since it was removed from the 1972 Road Traffic Act. Copper was wrong and unfortunately this occurs more and more where traffic cops do not know traffic law.

The only offence available is careless or dangerous driving, but it has to be established that the standard of driving fell well below the standard expected of a reasonably safe and competent driver or rider. The single act of undertaking is insufficient to prove that offence. Speed does not even enter the equation either.

If the undertaking vehicle weaves from lane to lane at high speed and it includes undertaking, then there may be a case to answer, but any copper who tells you that undertaking is illegal is talking out of their backside and they should know better.

If you were booked for the offence of undertaking, then let me know, because unless you rie or drive like a complete knob, then you commit no offence.

Even in crashes, the courts have had to accept that undertaking is legal and I have had a few where we have won the day because the defence used undertaking as ther statutory defence and have come unstuck big time, because ........ their client comitted the specific offence of centre lane hogging which is actually driving without reasonable cnsidertaion to other road users which is a sub section of section 3 of the 1988 Road traffic act, careless driving.

Apart from which the centre lane hogger also has a statutory duty of care (and this applies to all road users) to ensure that it is safe to return back to lane 1 (or any other lane) before they change lane.

So by all means, if any copper tells you in the future that it is illegal, feel free to give them my compliments and tell tem that they are talking out of their @rse and that if booked, you want your day in court where you will contest it.

 

Totally agree.

[timmy164]

You, know my initial thoughts were this bloke drumming up business for his company!

A very fishy story.

Also very interesting information on undertaking

So to be clear this isn't an offence any more?

Since 1972