Words fail me: Part II

[rennie]

I don't think they voted for Trump!

I think they voted against Clinton/the establishment!

Interesting times ahead!

[Six30]

Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division; have to get together. To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people.

It’s time. I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be president for all Americans, and this is so important to me.

 

I nearly threw up when this came on the radio on my drive into work this morning. Had a complete feeling of slimy, creepy git of a leech who stands at the ends of bars chatting up any women who ventures to the bar on her own.

 

None of what trump has been accused of matches what Bill Clinton got up to .... pot and Kettle

[RantMachine]

Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division; have to get together. To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people.

It’s time. I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be president for all Americans, and this is so important to me.

 

I nearly threw up when this came on the radio on my drive into work this morning. Had a complete feeling of slimy, creepy git of a leech who stands at the ends of bars chatting up any women who ventures to the bar on her own.

 

None of what trump has been accused of matches what Bill Clinton got up to .... pot and Kettle

 

No love for Bill here, but... he didn't ever have kiddy fiddling charges up against him, did he?

[Six30]

I nearly threw up when this came on the radio on my drive into work this morning. Had a complete feeling of slimy, creepy git of a leech who stands at the ends of bars chatting up any women who ventures to the bar on her own.

 

None of what trump has been accused of matches what Bill Clinton got up to .... pot and Kettle

 

No love for Bill here, but... he didn't ever have kiddy fiddling charges up against him, did he?

 

He wasn't charged ,the women filed a lawsuit against ACCUSING him ,which was dropped... where as Clinton paid a women $850,000 to keep quite and then there was Monica ,as I said pot and kettle

[RantMachine]

If I understood correctly, the charge was thrown out on a technicality and has been raised against him for a second time with a court date in December... but you never really know what you can trust in the news or online these days

[Six30]

If I understood correctly, the charge was thrown out on a technicality and has been raised against him for a second time with a court date in December... but you never really know what you can trust in the news or online these days

 

Not heard that , perhaps he could pay her off

[Mr Fro]

I guess we'll see what happens. Fundies quote mine the shit of of anything that even remotely supports their cause so (same as Brexit) it's difficult to know what to trust.

Trump has shown himself to be an A-1 chickenhawk with the "bomb the shit out of them" remark. The "pro-life" stance really doesn't sit well with me along with the rest of the bigoted stuff. Clinton has come across just as badly as far as I can tell, just not as openly as Trump.

I think it could be of economic interest to the UK as long as we don't get overly chummy and start doing extra "favours" for the US to allow us to shift some interests from the EU to them.

If I was an alien I'd be kicking up my feet, grabbing a bag of salt and vinegar and settling in to watch the global show.

[nicklucey]

Been trying to decide how best to describe it, i think it's kinda like if voting in clinton was like voting in theresa may, we don't really like her but at least she's vaguely qualified to do the job. Then voting in trump is like voting in simon cowell, but if simon cowell was a racist, sexist moron who believed climate change was a hoax.

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[Guest]

Been trying to decide how best to describe it, i think it's kinda like if voting in clinton was like voting in theresa may, we don't really like her but at least she's vaguely qualified to do the job. Then voting in trump is like voting in simon cowell, but if simon cowell was a racist, sexist moron who believed climate change was a hoax.

 

 

when David Duke says "our people have played a huge role" it does make you wonder. It also should make any reasonably tolerant person sick to the stomach.

So.. Trump was backed by the KKK in print.. and its former leader on twitter.. oh, and Nigel Farage liked him too.

Racist.. no of course not, what on earth could make you think that?

[Mawsley]

Had a complete feeling of slimy, creepy git of a leech who stands at the ends of bars chatting up any women who ventures to the bar on her own.

And did he appreciate it?

[Joe85]

Hah!

I almost started a "USA elections" thread a few days ago but was too worried it would cause friction!

I can't quite believe they've done it to be honest, I mean I can almost understand why people would want to vote for him but... Wow!

The next four years are going to be f**king terrifying for anyone who's liberal, supports gay rights, enjoys having multi-racial friends etc etc..

 

And thats just under the Tories. Imagine being an American right now!!!

[RantMachine]

I don't think they voted for Trump!

I think they voted against Clinton/the establishment!

Interesting times ahead!

 

I think Rennie's probably bang on the money with this one. Which begs the question, if Sanders had won the nomination instead of Clinton, would we now be looking at a Sanders administration in January? I think it's highly possible. Makes Hillary's dirty tactics during the primaries all the more disgusting.

[Mawsley]

I think Rennie's probably bang on the money with this one. Which begs the question, if Sanders had won the nomination instead of Clinton, would we now be looking at a Sanders administration in January? I think it's highly possible. Makes Hillary's dirty tactics during the primaries all the more disgusting.

The system is so broken that the best we can ever hope for is a choice between the South Park douchebag and turd.

Feeble-minded liberals like me thrash about looking for a makeshift, best fit solution - but it's all too evident that workable solutions to mighty problems simply aren't there. Corrupt to the left, corrupt to the right...I'm bereft of hope or ideas.

Except voting me as benevolent dictator. I suggest everybody votes for me and hopes it doesn't go tits.

*I am prepared to trade future favours for present likes. And by likes I mean votes. And by votes I mean death to my mortal enemies.

[Joeman]

Clinton has spent her whole life perfecting the art of being a slippery politician. Whereas Trump is a businessman with some excellent business advisors.

America is in a mess in many ways, and it needs a good shakeup, so a slippery politician who only protects here own interests probably isn't as good a choice as a businessman with radical ideas to actual make some difference... The last 20 or so years have seen career politicians come and go, and nothing radical has changed. The people are sick of how career politicians run the place. They want change.

Trump, as much as we all dislike him, may actually be the out of the box, fresh thinking, lunatic with nothing really to lose that America needs to shake it up. I believe that's what the public think too and that's why he was voted in.

No doubt trump will do some crazy stuff, but crazy isn't bad. Here in the uk, we could benefit from a proper radical shakeup, but we are never going to get it whilst these career politicians who all come from the exact same background keep getting elected into power.

[nicklucey]

Clinton has spent her whole life perfecting the art of being a slippery politician. Whereas Trump is a businessman with some excellent business

 

Trump has spent his life doing whatever was necessary for his own personal gain. No matter who he screwed over in the process. A country shouldn't be run like a corporation

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[Joeman]

Clinton has spent her whole life perfecting the art of being a slippery politician. Whereas Trump is a businessman with some excellent business

 

Trump has spent his life doing whatever was necessary for his own personal gain. No matter who he screwed over in the process. A country shouldn't be run like a corporation

 

Actually they should with the people as the shareholders... If countries had shareholders to answer to and growth and profit targets, they would be hugely more efficient and less wasteful than how the politicians run countries.

[nicklucey]

Clinton has spent her whole life perfecting the art of being a slippery politician. Whereas Trump is a businessman with some excellent business

 

Trump has spent his life doing whatever was necessary for his own personal gain. No matter who he screwed over in the process. A country shouldn't be run like a corporation

 

Actually they should with the people as the shareholders... If countries had shareholders to answer to and growth and profit targets, they would be hugely more efficient and less wasteful than how the politicians run countries.

 

Unfortunately the people would be the employees. And those surplus to requirements would be discarded.

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[Arwen]

Donald trump will do anything to fulfil his own goals. No matter what it takes.

If you can find somewhere to watch it this is an insightful documentary into corruption and idiocracy .

http://www.youvebeentrumped.com/youvebeentrumped.com/ABOUT_THE_FILM.html

Trump cares for nothing but himself. That is not someone who should be in charge of a country in my mind.

Yes he is different. So was Hitler.

[thebiglad]

Well the thing is, America has got what it voted for, and in a first past the post style voting system with only two possible candidates this is what happens. Only time will tell now.

Personally I can't see the point of re-hashing what's happened in the past, that's done.

[Gin]

Joe though I agree that a business man could be a wise choice to try and drag the country out of the economic mire it's in, I don't believe that person is Trump.

He's commented how it's "Smart" to avoid taxes for so many years, how bankrupting a company to allow him taxation immunity was a wise choice and commented that Obama care was ruining his own workers lives, despite the fact that he is/should be supplying their health insurance.

Listening to interviews with people who have worked with him over the years, yes he's surrounded himself with smart people who know what they're doing. However in recent years he's been more and more acting as a lone warrior and ignoring the advice from those around him.

He has a history of refusing to pay workers / contractors etc after their work is complete.

He seems to be the poster boy for white, upper-middle class blokes in business, who go golfing with their chums, pay their way out of problems and care very little for the people at the bottom of his companies.

Like I say, I agree that a non-politician could really shake things up and help the country heal. Just not one who's so openly racist, sexist and materialistic.

I'm with Arwen, he'll do what's right for him and his..

[Joeman]

Yep, he's not the ideal choice, but he's a change from the normal mass produced politicians with no actual experience of anything outside of politics and country clubs.

Trump has a huge investment portfolio spanning many US companies and many non-US companies. Clinton just seems to take cash from arms companies and companies who are contracted to rebuild overseas countries after the US has been there and blown them up.

Doing "what's right for Trump" will naturally mean doing what's right for his investments and that will benefit the US economy..... Short term.

The longer term effects are the real unknown.

[RantMachine]

Like I say, I agree that a non-politician could really shake things up and help the country heal.

I volunteer!!

 

Just not one who's so openly racist, sexist and materialistic.

Dangit...

[Six30]

Donald trump will do anything to fulfil his own goals. No matter what it takes.

If you can find somewhere to watch it this is an insightful documentary into corruption and idiocracy .

http://www.youvebeentrumped.com/youvebeentrumped.com/ABOUT_THE_FILM.html

Trump cares for nothing but himself. That is not someone who should be in charge of a country in my mind.

Yes he is different. So was Hitler.

 

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[RantMachine]

If we're gonna suggest documentaries, I would perhaps suggest watching this instead:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04b183c/adam-curtis-hypernormalisation

For one thing, the video isn't produced by the anti-Trump or pro-Trump camps. And for another thing, it doesn't attempt to speculate on what might happen. And best of all, it doesn't present the horrendously biased versions of Clinton and Trump coverage that we've seen in European media (any yes, they've been putting vast efforts into painting Trump in a negative light and Clinton in a positive one - some Canadian news is vaguely free of bias, but the best outlets are online ones like the Huffington Post which give you a range of opinions and views so that you can see the whole picture).

Essentially, that documentary is a brief explanation of the changes that have taken place in world politics, economy, and society over the past 40 years or so. Most of it focusses on disclosing the truths that have been quietly revealed over time, in hopes of avoiding embarrassment over the lies of the past. Stuff like the revelations about Bush and Blair and the second gulf war, but stretching back much further and going into detail of things that might otherwise have escaped our notice. Not so much of the "omg conspiracy" stuff, thankfully - all fact and no speculation. Netflix is the place to go for the tinfoil hat stuff.

Tl;dr - it's an awesome documentary that serves as an eye opener rather than an opinion changer. If you want your opinions to be a little more well informed, give it a watch.

[Guest]

Well the thing is, America has got what it voted for, and in a first past the post style voting system with only two possible candidates this is what happens. Only time will tell now.

 

The USA does not have a first past the post electoral system. If they did, Clinton could be President elect. Unless there has been a change in the final tally she beat Trump in the popular vote. Like most systems their electoral college isn't perfect... A quick check shows that Clinton beat Trump by a little over 200,000 votes nationwide.