Bike knocked over in car park

[JoB]

Hi all

 

 I am hoping someone could help us.

 

My husband was at work very early in the morning.  He was reversing into a car bay at work when he clipped and knocked over a motorbike.

 

the bike was parked in a car bay, although there was motorbike spaces available.  The bike was covered in a black non-reflective tarpaulin.  Should the bike have had some sort of reflective cover on as it was not visible at all on a very dark and rainy morning 

 

thank you

[Stu]

Would you say that if you knocked over a small child? 

 

Stop clutching at straws and pay up to the owner! You hit a stationary object 

[Bender]

Unfortunately what colour and where it was parked is an irrelevance, it was a stationary object and one that's easily damaged.

[JoB]

@Stu. There is no need to be mean.  We totally intend on paying up!  My husband went out of his way to go into work and find the owner!  Working out which way is best to pay, cash or insurance.  Also there is nothing wrong with knowing our rights anyway.  Don’t tar everyone with the same brush please!

[husoi]

All of the above.

[Stu]

21 minutes ago, JoB said:

@Stu. There is no need to be mean.  We totally intend on paying up!  My husband went out of his way to go into work and find the owner!  Working out which way is best to pay, cash or insurance.  Also there is nothing wrong with knowing our rights anyway.  Don’t tar everyone with the same brush please!

 

I'm not been mean, you are asking for advice on what rights you have which implies you're trying to either get out of it or put blame on others. 

 

If you want to do the right thing just hold your hand up and pay for the damage. 

 

The owner of the bike will be the one who decides weather it's cash or insurance unfortunately and not yourself! Failure to provide these details will be breaking the law. 

 

If the person is reasonable and can get it repaired at a good cost then that's a bonus to you 

[JoB]

@Stu

like I said there is nothing wrong if he was in the right the way he parked and I will not apologise for that.

and like I said he did do the right thing and was really very nice and told him he can pay which ever way suits him. And what ever give you the impression he did not tell him what happened……..or that they never swapped details!?

[Stu]

7 minutes ago, JoB said:

And what ever give you the impression he did not tell him what happened……..or that they never swapped details!?

 

At what point did I say you hadn't? I'm marely pointing out that you need to swap details and failure to do so is breaking the law. 

 

After that it's out of your hands

[JoB]

It’s what you implied.  We have both drove for over 30 years and are well aware of the laws

[Stu]

If that's how you want to take it that's fine 

 

Just remember I'm not the one asking for advice on "My rights" when hitting a stationary vehicle. We just take that as you're trying to pull a fast one 

[AstronautNinja]

What a spectacular level of fucktardary. In what world was this post going to go down well? 

 

Should of asked on mumsnet

 

It also sounds like OP was the offender..... "my husband"..... That old chestnut haha 

Edited September 11, 2024 by AstronautNinja

[Mississippi Bullfrog]

2 hours ago, JoB said:

Hi all

 

 I am hoping someone could help us.

 

My husband was at work very early in the morning.  He was reversing into a car bay at work when he clipped and knocked over a motorbike.

 

the bike was parked in a car bay, although there was motorbike spaces available.  The bike was covered in a black non-reflective tarpaulin.  Should the bike have had some sort of reflective cover on as it was not visible at all on a very dark and rainy morning 

 

thank you

Simple enough to answer the points raised:

 

Motorbikes may park in parking bays which are marked with lines large enough to park a car in. The provision of separate motorcycle parking areas does not require a motorcyclist to only use those parking bays. They may have been full when the rider arrived. I often have to park in 'car' spaces when I arrive and find the designated motorcycle area full.

 

For security and to protect the bike from the weather motorcycles may be covered by a cover, whether it be a specific product designed for the purpose or some material adapted for the same purpose. Commercially made covers for motorcycles tend to be black as it aids security. 

 

So the bike was parked properly.

[Fiddlesticks]

Reminds me of the old insurance claim:

 

“Going to work at 7am this morning I drove out of my drive straight into a bus. The bus was 5 minutes early..”

[RideWithStyles]

Agree with Stu, bender and other posters.

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2024 by RideWithStyles
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[JoB]

@missisipibullfrog

 

thank you very much for your KIND AND ADULT reply

[Capt Sisko]

There is also a large element of victim blaming going on here. The bike was in car bay, the bike wasn't in the designated m/c area, the bike had a dark cover, the cover should have had reflective strips. It was dark, the weather. I know you're trying to do the right thing regards to the damage to the motorbike and good for you for that, but stop trying to make excuses for your husband simply failing to look properly. It's embarrassing.

 

Lastly, if you do go down the I'll pay for the damage rather than get the insurance company involved route, be prepared for a shock. Motorbikes parts ain't cheap!

 

EDIT. One last thought, even if you go down the pay for it yourself route, come insurance renewal time one of the questions insurance companies ask is, 'Have you had an accident in the last X number of years?'. And note that's different to have you made a claim. Say no and you could invalidate your insurance.

Edited September 14, 2024 by Capt Sisko

[RideWithStyles]

 

[Tinkicker]

On 11/09/2024 at 17:38, JoB said:

Hi all

 

 I am hoping someone could help us.

 

My husband was at work very early in the morning.  He was reversing into a car bay at work when he clipped and knocked over a motorbike.

 

the bike was parked in a car bay, although there was motorbike spaces available.  The bike was covered in a black non-reflective tarpaulin.  Should the bike have had some sort of reflective cover on as it was not visible at all on a very dark and rainy morning 

 

thank you

 

 

Look objectively at what you wrote and how you wrote it.  I am in absolutely no doubt that you were attempting to shift the accountability, and responsibility for the damage away from your husband; by means of finding some obscure rule or regulation that the parked bike had not complied with.

 

I am not surprised with the reaction you got.

 

Swap the damaged bike with your husbands damaged parked car, and you as a lorry drivers wife asking the same question about car parking rules on a forum you were part of and see what you get....

 

 

Edited September 13, 2024 by Tinkicker

[angrybear]

On 11/09/2024 at 17:38, JoB said:

Hi all

 

 I am hoping someone could help us.

 

My husband was at work very early in the morning.  He was reversing into a car bay at work when he clipped and knocked over a motorbike.

 

the bike was parked in a car bay, although there was motorbike spaces available.  The bike was covered in a black non-reflective tarpaulin.  Should the bike have had some sort of reflective cover on as it was not visible at all on a very dark and rainy morning 

 

thank you

The simple facts are that your husband is at fault , he hit a parked object that he should not have done, how & where that object was parked has nothing to do with it,

it's the drivers responsibility to ensure that any manoeuvre they carry out is safe, so the driver of the moving vehicle is 100% responsible if they hit anything stationary.

[Throttled]

A builder's skip legally needs to be lit and have reflectors to be seen at night. There is no corresponding legislation for a motorbike that has a cover.

[husoi]

It's like blaming a lamp post for being on the wrong place

 

By the way @Throttled if you have a skip taking a parking space on a car park. Nothing says it needs to have lights (usually would be amber flashing light) signaling it.

A car park is private property even if owned by the council or any other public entity.

Only when placed on a public road where it would be occupying a traffic lane, then yes it would need proper traffic management including flashing lights at each corner and half way if more than 10m between the 2 corners. That would be the case where 2 skips are one after the other.

This wouldn't apply if the skip is at a parking space on the road as long the width will not get onto the road.

[Capt Sisko]

3 hours ago, Throttled said:

A builder's skip legally needs to be lit and have reflectors to be seen at night. There is no corresponding legislation for a motorbike that has a cover.

Neither is there for a car with a cover, and they're a lot bigger. The point is the motorcycle was legitimately park in parking bay in a works car park. Different scenario completely.

[RideWithStyles]

 

 

Point to correct

Edited October 8, 2024 by RideWithStyles

[Tinkicker]

Cmon guys.  The JoB has not been back here since she got short shrift and realised her "husband" was not going to wriggle out of it on a technicality.

 

She will not be back.  It was a desperate one time post.  Why waste the energy?

[husoi]

And that would stop us from spending a few months going on about it?