fastbob

Good morning . Well not really . I've coughed so much today I think I've dislodged a rib  . I really don't know what to do anymore . I've slept for two days now I'm wide awake just counting down the minutes to the next agonising coughing fit .

Being ill . I went for my Covid Booster on Wednesday and they offered me a Flu jab at the same time . I already had a mild cold so I did ask whether this was advisable . They said it would be fine . Well it's not fine . I've been doubled up wracked with uncontrollable coughing since Thursday . On Thursday evening I sat outside for a bit and coughed myself unconscious . I must have slumped sideways off my chair because when I came too with a horrible scream I had scraped my forehead right down the wall leaving a nasty abrasion . Thank God I haven't got pebbledashing . When I tried to get up I was overtaken with a terrible urge to vomit . Friday was basically a missed out day and I'm still in a rotten state now , coughing until my head explodes and aching all over while slipping in and out of horrible little pointless dreams . I've got no appetite and although I know I must , I don't want to drink anything . Can't even do my model planes because I keep making mistakes . So how's everyone else's weekend ? 

16 hours ago, Bianco2564 said:

Perhaps if all these diy mechanics learnt how to use a torque wrench, there wouldnt be half as many knackered threads?

A typical fastener is tightened to 75% of its yield point ( excepting stretch bolts) so to strip the thread initially they have had to overtightened it by a fair amount.

Ah , now that's a good point . If all the correct torque settings had been adhered to from day one of the motorcycle's construction , there wouldn't be any problems at all . Most torque settings are intended to protect threads from OVER tightening . Take the case of camshaft journals that are barely finger tight before the torque wrench goes click .

On 06/11/2022 at 14:41, Bianco2564 said:

Just trying to understand this thought.

If we have two M10 8.8 grade bolts, both partially damaged but "servicable" threads as you describe. Both threads are free of oil ,grease and dirt. Target torque is 55Nm, typical torque for that size fastener and grade.

Our torque wrench operative comes along and tightens one bolt, reaches 50 Nm and the thread starts to strip, torque wrench doesnt click, he keeps going and the thread goes completly, game over.

Operative B goes to tighten the 2nd bolt without a torque wrench and.....

He will feel it get exponentially harder to turn but then it will begin to  plateau out , so to speak . That's when you STOP because that's as good as it's ever  going to get . Continue past this point and it will get easier to turn as the thread strips . It's up to the judgment of the individual and the location and function of the bolt as to whether you leave it in place or go for a Helicoil next time around . Also , please bear in mind that this sort of practice is mainly applicable to older bikes that have passed through the hands of a series of DIY " Mechanics " of unknown expertise ..

I think the second passenger was added to take over the steering when the first two guys were exhausted . 

On 30/10/2022 at 09:36, fastbob said:

Go on give it a go . https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185625710021?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=9yaVSyO-Sly&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9xhDzDPcSSK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Well that wasn't quite the reaction I was anticipating . Here you go , stick a big bore on it while you're at it . What's not to like ?  the bike's made in China anyway.

6 hours ago, Bianco2564 said:

So if you undo the rear wheel nut, the axle won't move? . The forces from the chain and braking will start to move the axle because of the clearances in each mating part and the clearance will get bigger and bigger from the constant reversal of acceleration and braking . The adjusters move the axle to tension the chain correctly and set wheel alignment, the spindle nut keeps it all clamped up in the correct place.

If your damaged but "servicable" thread cannot hold the torque its designed for then it's not servicable, it needs replacing.  Using a torque wrench will show this up, doing it up by feel will probably result in the fastener being under tightened  and you are just ignoring the problem.

Perhaps so we don't hijack this thread any more, start a new thread , Torque wrenches? Tighten stuff up correctly or guess.

 

I'm not just talking about axle nuts . I'm talking about the assumption that using a Torque Wrench makes everything guaranteed to be perfect . 

Go on give it a go . https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185625710021?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=9yaVSyO-Sly&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9xhDzDPcSSK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I won't be doing much bike related until April now unless I have another go at my ER5 . 

4 minutes ago, Bianco2564 said:

Like I said , you can tighten it correctly or just tighten it.

Clearly OP wants to do the former with his research on the web and youtube, so it would only be right for us to tell him the correct procedure. To say just tighten it up, there are variables which we don't know that would affect the outcome.

OP could weigh 8 stone dripping wet and be using a 19mm spanner or he could weigh 20 stone with the strength of a bear and use a 3 ft breaker bar. A torque wrench will cancel out any variable. In particular OP sounds like a biking noob with probably little mechanical experience so let's start him off on the right foot and do maintainence correctly. When he's an old hand like us with many years experience, yes he can probably tighten it up by feel.

As for the wheel spindle nut, the specified torque is is to clamp the rear axle assembly to the swing arm to prevent it moving from the forces from the chain and braking so not a small job to do.

 

That's the job of the adjusters . A Torque Wrench is a dangerous tool in the wrong hands . Use one on a partially damaged but serviceable thread and it won't be serviceable any more . It's no good saying " But it didn't go click " if you've already felt it go tight and then go loose again . This all stems from kids being given PlayStation instead of Meccano . 

Stop , think ....what is the PURPOSE of tightening the axle bolt ?  Is it to exert a certain level of pressure on the spacers that fit between the bearing centres ? Or is it to just stop the thing coming undone " By itself "  ?  Well let's put it this way , I have never used a Torque Wrench for anything except engine building and I have never had a wheel spindle fall out of a bike . I just stick a wrench on the nut , tighten it right up until it's rapidly getting progressively tighter and then give it an extra graunch that hurts my hand a bit .

14 hours ago, teo63 said:

Thanks, unfortunately I don’t think I have any, this is the other one I have …..

Much better . 

1 hour ago, Mississippi Bullfrog said:

I have been told that anyone flying a drone or model aircraft these days needs a CAA certificate. 

 

Way back in the day of 35MHz transmitters the range was way further than you could see it anyway.

F**k that .

45 minutes ago, teo63 said:

old girl catching her breath

A lovely bike that would be a welcome addition to the calendar but do you have any shots with the light falling onto the bike from behind the camera ? 

1 hour ago, fastbob said:

 

I should add , in case anyone missed it , that these accessories came with the bike when Ian bought it and do not reflect his taste as they do not reflect mine . That said , I may try the screen next season if I've got motorway miles to do . It only takes seconds to fit or remove . The panniers , although of good quality and of a leading make are deceptively small and wil not accept any of my very compact  camping gear . The quick release backrest , despite its rather gothic appearance , is ideal for supporting a large roll bag in just the right position to provide a comfortable back support . All I need now are some leather tassels , footboards and of course a skull fender ornament . 

12 hours ago, fastbob said:

No worries , I'll nip out to the shed this evening . 

1 hour ago, Ian Frog said:

ooh pics please I have never seen her with ALL the skirts etc on.

Cheers

Ian

No worries , I'll nip out to the shed this evening . 

I've garaged mine for the winter now so I fitted all the touring accessories ( Screen , backrest , bags ) cos I'm fed up of shifting them around in my little flat . 

21 hours ago, onesea said:

I figured you had a good guess, one post wonders are going to happen.  You never know who is going to grow into the next regular talking crap.
 

It just tickles me the bloggers or whatever trying to make there influencing circles, the people thinking a Forum is a good selling platform.

 

In the sailing world you make a Patreon account a YouTube channel and make sure there are girls and bikinis.  Seems to be the winning formula, they make a living out of it.

 

not even a decent comedian either

There he is . Unfortunately I think he was terminated just before I posted this . 

On 23/10/2022 at 14:22, Bianco2564 said:

The only worthwhile thing to visit in Cov city centre is Machinemart

No it isn't . A lot of what they sell is pure shite . Some examples are , mild steel chromed Allen Keys  , Torx wrenches that shatter and screwdrivers with tips painted black to simulate hardening . The worst that I've bought are their screwdrivers with a hex on the end . It's actually a hollow mild steel pressing that's set in the plastic and is of no use whatsoever . Pure Dogshit ! 

You do realise that the very existence of a Forum is a very outdated thing nowadays ? Seems to me that if it's to continue , it needs shaking up a bit . My personal opinion , put a stop to the threads Good morning and Good Night etc and What are you doing at the Weekend ?   There's rarely anything bike related on them and it's just the same small group of people every time . It's small wonder that people visit once to ask a question and then leave . They probably think they have stumbled  into an old folks home . 

3 hours ago, Riley said:

Hi well my local dealership is different from the one I got it from. 

 

 

Its under warranty not even over a month old yet so what about the metal needing time to work in? This makes sense but I know nothing about bikes really yet so solely reliant on others and I have no knowledge myself to gauge it against not yet so..? 

 

Don't know if what I'm being told is legit or not. 

 

I have messaged my local dealer but it was late Saturday its been seen but by whom I don't know. there are closed Sundays so should hear back today I took it there for my 600 service they said everything was fine I mentioned the gear issue also to the guy who signed my book etc. 

 

So will see either way it should get sorted if I have any issues I'll just go to honda directly can't I..? 

Metal working in ? Typical dealer bullshit ! They want you to keep the bike and they want to keep the money in the till . I'll say it again . It's a faulty consumer product and it should be replaced with another one that is fit for purpose . You don't want anyone splitting the crankcase and f**king around with it . You want a new one that works . If you bought a washing machine from Currys and it didn't work , would they ask you to take it back so they could have a fiddle with it ? No , they would take the old one away and give you a replacement . Sorry to be so direct about this but it infuriates me when the bike trade treats people , especially newcomers , in a different manner to other consumers . 

Same story we've had on here a dozen times . Accept no bullshit from the dealership whatsoever . It is a faulty consumer product and that's the end of the discussion . Do not even refer to it as your bike . It is a bike . Take it back and state that you want a refund or a replacement and let them fix this one in their time and not yours . End of . 

3 hours ago, rennie said:

It's Sue's birthday soon so I went shopping yesterday!

went to Telford shopping centre, hate the place!

had to pay to park, walk miles, strange people everywhere! 

I had to have several ciders to recover! 

" Strange people everywhere " I think I've reached that stage in my psychological journey as well . I pause sometimes in Coventry City Center and watch them all go by and there is very little that I understand or recognise .  

13 hours ago, skyrider said:

yes most of mine have been yam's too

Conversely , I have never owned or ridden a Yamaha . I wouldn't trust a manufacturer that sent out bikes for decade after decade knowing that the paint is going to fall off the engine . And then there's the XS750 with its inevitable second gear failure lurking in the memory .